Drink driving in new cars
Discussion
The new car (lease) is first one I've driven, bar a few rentals, with a plethora of driver aids.
Watching some of the TV Police fly on the wall programs drink-drivers stand out with erratic behaviour. Is it more difficult to spot them in a new car with all the current driver aids, say on a DC? Was initially think about drink-driving, but guess it also applies to social media/watching youtube/reading pistonheads.
I'm fairly convinced that under some circumstances the car is more vigilant than I am, keeps distance from vehicles in front and lane discipline It doesn't get bored or distracted, start wondering if theres anything in the fridge to eat, etc.
Watching some of the TV Police fly on the wall programs drink-drivers stand out with erratic behaviour. Is it more difficult to spot them in a new car with all the current driver aids, say on a DC? Was initially think about drink-driving, but guess it also applies to social media/watching youtube/reading pistonheads.
I'm fairly convinced that under some circumstances the car is more vigilant than I am, keeps distance from vehicles in front and lane discipline It doesn't get bored or distracted, start wondering if theres anything in the fridge to eat, etc.
My Dark Horse flashes up a driver fatigue warning whenever I have to dodge a pothole and the lane departure warning is also pretty sensitive.
The latter I turn off as part of the the other start up procedures ( which exhaust noise , disable speed warning bongs ) but can only acknowledge the fatigue warning !
The latter I turn off as part of the the other start up procedures ( which exhaust noise , disable speed warning bongs ) but can only acknowledge the fatigue warning !
kiethton said:
Not me but know a few people with Tesla's, with full autopilot in the states. Sink 6 pints and have autopilot drive them to the next bar.
Autopilot on Teslas in the UK isn't that great. Its just adaptive cruise control and lane keeping assist (which isn't that good at it anyway). It certainly can't negotiate junctions or do other driving skills (here).alscar said:
My Dark Horse flashes up a driver fatigue warning whenever I have to dodge a pothole and the lane departure warning is also pretty sensitive.
The latter I turn off as part of the the other start up procedures ( which exhaust noise , disable speed warning bongs ) but can only acknowledge the fatigue warning !
Seems to be a standard Ford thing now, we have a transit van on fleet which is the same, the driver fatigue thing is really intrusive. We also have the previous gen Transit and generally people needing a van will take the older one because it's far less intrusiveThe latter I turn off as part of the the other start up procedures ( which exhaust noise , disable speed warning bongs ) but can only acknowledge the fatigue warning !
Jamescrs said:
alscar said:
My Dark Horse flashes up a driver fatigue warning whenever I have to dodge a pothole and the lane departure warning is also pretty sensitive.
The latter I turn off as part of the the other start up procedures ( which exhaust noise , disable speed warning bongs ) but can only acknowledge the fatigue warning !
Seems to be a standard Ford thing now, we have a transit van on fleet which is the same, the driver fatigue thing is really intrusive. We also have the previous gen Transit and generally people needing a van will take the older one because it's far less intrusiveThe latter I turn off as part of the the other start up procedures ( which exhaust noise , disable speed warning bongs ) but can only acknowledge the fatigue warning !
When you “ ok “ the yellow warning then a bit later the red warning comes up which again you have acknowledge. Red can come up even if no pothole swerving in the interim.
Biker 1 said:
My Skoda has the anti fatigue thing also. It seems to get interested after around 2 hours - there are no cameras inside the car, so I'm not sure how it works on a technical level. Bloody annoying piece of junk!
I guess there is some form of sensor linked to the steered front wheels maybe ?It’s a shame Ford haven’t added that to the list of things you can easily disable.
Biker 1 said:
My Skoda has the anti fatigue thing also. It seems to get interested after around 2 hours - there are no cameras inside the car, so I'm not sure how it works on a technical level. Bloody annoying piece of junk!
Bit of an aside but I really don't understand why the modern systems are so intrusive. My Lexus is knocking on for 20 years old and has a set of IR LEDs and cameras watching the driver's eyes. If your eyes aren't on the road (e.g. because you have dozed off) then it warns you, if you don't react it stops the car. I've never triggered it in 10s of thousands of miles.Then I get into a current model rental and it starts shouting at me every 10-20 miles. I'm not faffing about with other tasks, I'm not playing with a phone, all I'm doing is driving.
Do I have eyes that look closed to the system? Is it not calibrated to cope with drivers who actually look around instead of relying on the warning lights on their mirrors?
Ours is2 1/2 years old so we just have to put up with obstruction detection (it sees obstructions that aren’t there) and emergency brake (never actuated).
Have driven hire cars with lane guidance/departure systems and always spend the first ten minutes working out how to turn them off.
Seriously considering an older car next to avoid all the safety systems!
Have driven hire cars with lane guidance/departure systems and always spend the first ten minutes working out how to turn them off.
Seriously considering an older car next to avoid all the safety systems!
E-bmw said:
alscar said:
It s a shame Ford haven t added that to the list of things you can easily disable.
I don't think you are allowed to "default disable" any "driver aids" now by C & U regs I assume.Disabling some is literally the use of a button in some cars but others a lengthy search through the menu.
But however and whatever you can disable is then reset every time you start the car up.
I drove one of toys the other day and I was able to just start it and drive off !
Biker 1 said:
My Skoda has the anti fatigue thing also. It seems to get interested after around 2 hours - there are no cameras inside the car, so I'm not sure how it works on a technical level. Bloody annoying piece of junk!
It'll probably work like Mercedes attention assist does, takes about 70 different measurements inc how you started to drive and focuses on your steering inputs it builds a picture of what you do when attentive and then looks for you not doing that via your steering inputs. It makes allowances for things like you pressing buttons changing gear or lane etc..but if you start to make constant micro adjustments to the steering it'll tell you to take a break.
Same with BMW and that used to be bang on with me when I used to do long journeys, so I don't mind it at all.
Freakuk said:
I believe you have to have your hands on the wheel even when in auto-pilot.
But I know from a friend who has a Taycan he wedges a 1/2 empty bottle of water in the spokes of the steering wheel which mimics hands on the wheel so he's able to effectively drive hands free.
You can let go for about 20 seconds I would say once its been on a while. After that you get the blue warning on the dash to touch the wheel. But I know from a friend who has a Taycan he wedges a 1/2 empty bottle of water in the spokes of the steering wheel which mimics hands on the wheel so he's able to effectively drive hands free.
When it first came out you did not need to touch the wheel.
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