Talk me out of buying a Land Rover
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Just sold my weekend/dump car and now looking for a replacement.
I do roughly 4-5k a year, short trips at the weekend or in the evening and the occasional airport run (3-4hrs)
Like the look of discovery sports & I have been sort of keeping an eye on either 2015 2.2 PSA engines or the petrol ingenium up to 2019
Also can’t help but look at 2010-2012 FL2 also in the 2.2d guise. At 1/3rd of the price of the DS it is tempting.
Am I likely to block the dpf on both diesel cars? I rarely do more than a 20 min journey and mostly B roads
Will I also spend the money I save in purchase price in maintenance/issues on the FL2?
I know my habits suit a much smaller petrol run about car, however I do have a back issue that makes it difficult to get in and out of hatchbacks / estate cars
I do roughly 4-5k a year, short trips at the weekend or in the evening and the occasional airport run (3-4hrs)
Like the look of discovery sports & I have been sort of keeping an eye on either 2015 2.2 PSA engines or the petrol ingenium up to 2019
Also can’t help but look at 2010-2012 FL2 also in the 2.2d guise. At 1/3rd of the price of the DS it is tempting.
Am I likely to block the dpf on both diesel cars? I rarely do more than a 20 min journey and mostly B roads
Will I also spend the money I save in purchase price in maintenance/issues on the FL2?
I know my habits suit a much smaller petrol run about car, however I do have a back issue that makes it difficult to get in and out of hatchbacks / estate cars
Alb. said:
Just sold my weekend/dump car and now looking for a replacement.
I do roughly 4-5k a year, short trips at the weekend or in the evening and the occasional airport run (3-4hrs)
Like the look of discovery sports & I have been sort of keeping an eye on either 2015 2.2 PSA engines or the petrol ingenium up to 2019
Also can t help but look at 2010-2012 FL2 also in the 2.2d guise. At 1/3rd of the price of the DS it is tempting.
Am I likely to block the dpf on both diesel cars? I rarely do more than a 20 min journey and mostly B roads
Will I also spend the money I save in purchase price in maintenance/issues on the FL2?
I know my habits suit a much smaller petrol run about car, however I do have a back issue that makes it difficult to get in and out of hatchbacks / estate cars
A late FL2, preferably in high spec (e.g. HSE run out year) is far, far better than a discovery sport (painful experience).I do roughly 4-5k a year, short trips at the weekend or in the evening and the occasional airport run (3-4hrs)
Like the look of discovery sports & I have been sort of keeping an eye on either 2015 2.2 PSA engines or the petrol ingenium up to 2019
Also can t help but look at 2010-2012 FL2 also in the 2.2d guise. At 1/3rd of the price of the DS it is tempting.
Am I likely to block the dpf on both diesel cars? I rarely do more than a 20 min journey and mostly B roads
Will I also spend the money I save in purchase price in maintenance/issues on the FL2?
I know my habits suit a much smaller petrol run about car, however I do have a back issue that makes it difficult to get in and out of hatchbacks / estate cars
ChevronB19 said:
A late FL2, preferably in high spec (e.g. HSE run out year) is far, far better than a discovery sport (painful experience).
To counter that, my dad had an FL2 and it was nothing but bother, there was constantly issues with it until his mechanic just told him to get rid. My mate had a 2.0d 2022 Discovery Sport for 20k miles and it was faultless. I still wouldnt recommend a Ingenium diesel, but his was okay.
JLR Products in a nutshell I think!
The rear diff (and Haldex unit) on a FL2 is a weak spot as the pinion bearing wears. Bell engineering appear to be the go to people for them. I know this as it’s the same unit as an XC90 and I’ve rebuilt mine.
The rest of FL2 is good as it was designed and built under Ford’s ownership. A work colleague had one and it was reliable and served him well.
The rest of FL2 is good as it was designed and built under Ford’s ownership. A work colleague had one and it was reliable and served him well.
I do like the late FL2’s but it being described as the most reliable JLR product does worry me
Is it only reliable in terms of everything else they make is terrible
You would have to pay me to own a diesel ingenium, joined a DS Facebook group and see almost daily occurrences of £5-8k bills or car beyond repair
Is it only reliable in terms of everything else they make is terrible
You would have to pay me to own a diesel ingenium, joined a DS Facebook group and see almost daily occurrences of £5-8k bills or car beyond repair
Buy one of these as long as you take it on a good 45 min run once a month then it'll be fine:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202510287...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/206262165411?_skw=infin...
More sensible 1.5T four cylinder Kuga:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202606163...
1.6T:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202606293...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202510287...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/206262165411?_skw=infin...
More sensible 1.5T four cylinder Kuga:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202606163...
1.6T:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202606293...
ZX10R NIN said:
Buy one of these as long as you take it on a good 45 min run once a month then it'll be fine:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202510287...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/206262165411?_skw=infin...
More sensible 1.5T four cylinder Kuga:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202606163...
1.6T:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202606293...
That’s got to be one of the ugliest cars I’ve seen hahahahttps://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202510287...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/206262165411?_skw=infin...
More sensible 1.5T four cylinder Kuga:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202606163...
1.6T:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202606293...
I did have a 2019 kuga St line on lease before, wasn’t a bad vehicle in all fairness
Ideally want a more premium badge (call me a snob if you like) and forgot to stipulate it has to be auto
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Ideally want a more premium badge (call me a snob if you like) and forgot to stipulate it has to be auto
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Depending on how you define premium, that rules a lot of cars that would suit your purpose ideally. I personally regard a Land Rover as an albatross around your neck rather than a 'premium' car. Some of your pre-conceptions need ditching.
Ideally want a more premium badge (call me a snob if you like) and forgot to stipulate it has to be auto
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Depending on how you define premium, that rules a lot of cars that would suit your purpose ideally. I personally regard a Land Rover as an albatross around your neck rather than a 'premium' car. Some of your pre-conceptions need ditching.
Oh, and if you think it's the ingenious engines on Disco Sports that cause the issue, I have a friend who had a 2016 diesel one (and colour co-ordinated horse trailer). It was in and out of the garage....not for engine problems, but electrical issues galore.
I asked her to sell it to me when she changed cars and she flat refused.
Reason being she didn't want to do that to a friend.
There are loads of cars out there with a higher driving position.
I asked her to sell it to me when she changed cars and she flat refused.
Reason being she didn't want to do that to a friend.
There are loads of cars out there with a higher driving position.
There's lots of known weaknesses and issues with the FL2 (with a 2.2 diesel engine), for example DAB module, door handles, exhaust manifold cracking, Haldex issues. It is a more sensible engine than the later Ingenium 2.0 diesel, which of course was introduced around 2016 (not relevant for a Freelander which was replaced by the Disco Sport in 2015; but relevant to older RR Evoques).
Its better than many later LR products but its like saying its the "cutest sewer rat" or something like that.
Many of the official parts prices are really high, although there is a reasonable aftermarket.
I believe the Freelander 2 was available with a 3.2 litre 6 cylinder, which was a Volvo engine (and a 2 litre petrol too). No experience with this though, and they have to be quite rare.
Its better than many later LR products but its like saying its the "cutest sewer rat" or something like that.
Many of the official parts prices are really high, although there is a reasonable aftermarket.
I believe the Freelander 2 was available with a 3.2 litre 6 cylinder, which was a Volvo engine (and a 2 litre petrol too). No experience with this though, and they have to be quite rare.
Alb. said:
That s got to be one of the ugliest cars I ve seen hahaha
I did have a 2019 kuga St line on lease before, wasn t a bad vehicle in all fairness
Ideally want a more premium badge (call me a snob if you like) and forgot to stipulate it has to be auto
I didn't say it was a looker I did have a 2019 kuga St line on lease before, wasn t a bad vehicle in all fairness
Ideally want a more premium badge (call me a snob if you like) and forgot to stipulate it has to be auto
but they do look better in the flesh, as for premium their interiors are nicer than any FL2/DS that you'll be buying at this price point.They come loaded with spec & are nigh on bulletproof.
The black interiors are better on the eye
Familymad said:
FL2 with the 2.2 is a good old lump. A mate sold his 110 300TDI and now runs one. He hacks it about and tows field rollers and varied horse boxes and gear. Been a reliable thing. They are bigger than they look too. Nice square old LR interior space.
I’m in the West Country and they’re everywhere, which can only be a good sign surely I did test drive an SD4 XS and really liked it, got a boxy farm tool feel compared to the more refined DS
I've owned my 2014 Sd4 Freelander (2.2, 190hp, auto) for 8 1/2 years and nearly 130000 miles, now on 146000 miles. Can honestly say it has been a fantastic car, very reliable with an egr valve and precautionary change of egr cooler being the only major fault in that time.
It really has been an ideal family do anything go anywhere car. Superb tow car and surefooted in winter weather snow and ice.
If I could by a newer, lower mileage one I would but unfortunately they ended production in 2015 and it's hardly worth changing to only go one year newer.
Sadly there is nothing reliable that is a more modern replacement, Discovery Sport is not even worth considering given its reputation.
I'm veering towards a petrol Subaru Outback.
It really has been an ideal family do anything go anywhere car. Superb tow car and surefooted in winter weather snow and ice.
If I could by a newer, lower mileage one I would but unfortunately they ended production in 2015 and it's hardly worth changing to only go one year newer.
Sadly there is nothing reliable that is a more modern replacement, Discovery Sport is not even worth considering given its reputation.
I'm veering towards a petrol Subaru Outback.
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