Changes to the Section 59 warning
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This is a big change.
Namely no two strikes and your car is seized, if say you are weaving, launch starts and car meet racing it can seizsd on the spot AND disposed of (i.e. sold/lost permanently within 48 hours) down from 14 days.
https://www.google.com/search?q=changes+to+section...
Namely no two strikes and your car is seized, if say you are weaving, launch starts and car meet racing it can seizsd on the spot AND disposed of (i.e. sold/lost permanently within 48 hours) down from 14 days.
https://www.google.com/search?q=changes+to+section...
Mastodon2 said:
A rare bit of good news for a change.
Now, officers can seize cars or bikes immediately if they are driven in a way that causes distress or annoyance.Mastodon2's Profile
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ks!BenEK9 said:
Now, officers can seize cars or bikes immediately if they are driven in a way that causes distress or annoyance.
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ks!Wills2 said:
BenEK9 said:
Now, officers can seize cars or bikes immediately if they are driven in a way that causes distress or annoyance.
Mastodon2's Profile
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Ignorance is bliss!
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ks!Smint said:
every day we nudge ever closer to 1984
yea. I agree in law and punishment. But one other persons perception of annoyance to result in your vehicle seized and crushed with 48hrs...and that many commenting will have driven in a manner that could have landed them with a section 59..SweptVolume said:
BenEK9 said:
Now, officers can seize cars or bikes immediately if they are driven in a way that causes distress or annoyance.
I get annoyed by all sorts of drivers. Does this mean I can get them crushed now?First on my list: the 40-everywhere brigade
I think its still illegal to crush drivers.
How have we got to a point where accelerating is punishable by crushing cars without legal process?
Can someone define “launching”? I will use full throttle getting up to speed entering a motorway. Is that “launching”?
What about tight gaps? One of my cars does 0-60 in about 2.5 seconds. That makes all tight gaps generous. Even if I use half throttle, am I “launching” as it will be 0-60 quicker than most cars.
How are they going to judge “launching”? My bet is an uncalibrated WPC in a van. One of my cars is a loud V8. When I put my foot down it roars into life. I bet that would be counted as “launching”. It certainly is for my mother. “Ooooh you’re going too fast!!!” Nope, I’m turning petrol into noise.
Can someone define “launching”? I will use full throttle getting up to speed entering a motorway. Is that “launching”?
What about tight gaps? One of my cars does 0-60 in about 2.5 seconds. That makes all tight gaps generous. Even if I use half throttle, am I “launching” as it will be 0-60 quicker than most cars.
How are they going to judge “launching”? My bet is an uncalibrated WPC in a van. One of my cars is a loud V8. When I put my foot down it roars into life. I bet that would be counted as “launching”. It certainly is for my mother. “Ooooh you’re going too fast!!!” Nope, I’m turning petrol into noise.
h0b0 said:
How have we got to a point where accelerating is punishable by crushing cars without legal process?
Can someone define launching ? I will use full throttle getting up to speed entering a motorway. Is that launching ?
What about tight gaps? One of my cars does 0-60 in about 2.5 seconds. That makes all tight gaps generous. Even if I use half throttle, am I launching as it will be 0-60 quicker than most cars.
How are they going to judge launching ? My bet is an uncalibrated WPC in a van. One of my cars is a loud V8. When I put my foot down it roars into life. I bet that would be counted as launching . It certainly is for my mother. Ooooh you re going too fast!!! Nope, I m turning petrol into noise.
Littles changed, just the 1st warning and disposal period. Can someone define launching ? I will use full throttle getting up to speed entering a motorway. Is that launching ?
What about tight gaps? One of my cars does 0-60 in about 2.5 seconds. That makes all tight gaps generous. Even if I use half throttle, am I launching as it will be 0-60 quicker than most cars.
How are they going to judge launching ? My bet is an uncalibrated WPC in a van. One of my cars is a loud V8. When I put my foot down it roars into life. I bet that would be counted as launching . It certainly is for my mother. Ooooh you re going too fast!!! Nope, I m turning petrol into noise.
I or anyone I care about from a day to day basis have never received a section 59.
I do know many people who have. I understand the intention, electric motorbikes, joy riding etc.
But the people who think this is a good thing and hasn't widely been abused outside of the inner city 'yob' culture its touted to control, are really on the 10th percentile in critical thinking.
A very quick search on pistonheads of 'section 59'
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
gov.uk said:
The police have the power under section 59 of the Police Reform Act 2002 to seize vehicles, including off-road bikes, being driven illegally, or used in an anti-social manner.The seizure power does not depend on prosecution for, or proof of, this behaviour, only on reasonable belief by a constable as to it occurring. The power is designed to enable the police to put a stop to this dangerous and anti-social behaviour.
By amending the law, the police will be able to immediately seize vehicles being used in an anti-social manner, without the requirement to first issue a warning to the person that their vehicle will be seized if they continue to use it in an anti-social manner.
I'm not sure I'm comfortable with any Police constable having the power to seize my car based on their opinion. In fact, I'm not comfortable with that, at all. I'm not sure how anyone could be. By amending the law, the police will be able to immediately seize vehicles being used in an anti-social manner, without the requirement to first issue a warning to the person that their vehicle will be seized if they continue to use it in an anti-social manner.
Edited by CouncilFerrari on Sunday 5th July 16:58
The problem with supporting the excesses of the state is that its fine until its you who the copper at that moment has taken a dislike to, ''i don't think you have mate'' or it wasn't me so i said nothing until one day its me.
Tailgating being one such thing, i don't do this but a hell of a lot of people do, not aggressively but that's how they drive, is that going to be enough for your car to disppear up the crushers behind, will it apply equally to Lord Fauntleroy in his Rolls as its does to Kev in his Corsa, will it be council who lose their car whilst others have the blind eye turned once again.
Will Kev be able to afford or be granted the legal aid representation of a top brief.
Tailgating being one such thing, i don't do this but a hell of a lot of people do, not aggressively but that's how they drive, is that going to be enough for your car to disppear up the crushers behind, will it apply equally to Lord Fauntleroy in his Rolls as its does to Kev in his Corsa, will it be council who lose their car whilst others have the blind eye turned once again.
Will Kev be able to afford or be granted the legal aid representation of a top brief.
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