Feminine Products - Complaint

[bad company]

Waitrose drop the word feminine after a complaint. WTF !!!

Sorry about the paywall, there are ‘ways around’.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/7aa9803c5d36e6fa

[Ritchie335is]

Just rename them “Fanny Ammo” to remove any chance of gender related offence.

[vikingaero]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/waitr...

All I read was blah blah blah from the Trans movement and blah blah blah from Waitrose.

[butchstewie]

If you cut through the headline it reads like part of the reason is that that area of the store now includes male incontinence products so perhaps "feminine care" wasn't the most appropriate name.

The Complaint said:

Not all people who have periods are women. Trans men and some non-binary people have periods. The category also includes products used for incontinence. Yet the language we use still suggests that these products are exclusively for women and femininity.

To some people, that might seem like a small detail. To me, it isn’t. Words matter because people matter. This matters to me because inclusion should never be conditional or performative. If we say everyone is welcome, then our language should reflect everyone.

To me it reads like part of their store is no longer just products for women but the Telegraph have seized on the "trans" part.

[moanthebairns]

butchstewie said:

If you cut through the headline it reads like part of the reason is that that area of the store now includes male incontinence products so perhaps "feminine care" wasn't the most appropriate name.

The Complaint said:

Not all people who have periods are women. Trans men and some non-binary people have periods. The category also includes products used for incontinence. Yet the language we use still suggests that these products are exclusively for women and femininity.

To some people, that might seem like a small detail. To me, it isn t. Words matter because people matter. This matters to me because inclusion should never be conditional or performative. If we say everyone is welcome, then our language should reflect everyone.

To me it reads like part of their store is no longer just products for women but the Telegraph have seized on the "trans" part.

To me it reads as wind and pish to cover it.

I just hope they don't sell Yorkies.

[Patio]

Ritchie335is said:

Just rename them Fanny Ammo to remove any chance of gender related offence.

Can't believe anyone would think this a bad idea

[768]

moanthebairns said:

To me it reads as wind and pish to cover it.

Obvs.

[butchstewie]

moanthebairns said:

To me it reads as wind and pish to cover it.

I just hope they don't sell Yorkies.

Sure it's possible but I also think it's pretty difficult to disagree with "we re changing the name simply because feminine products no longer reflects the product range, which now includes incontinence pads for men.".

It's not really one to be bothered by like the Telegraph seem to be IMO.

[suthol]

Manhole Cover

[moanthebairns]

butchstewie said:

moanthebairns said:

To me it reads as wind and pish to cover it.

I just hope they don't sell Yorkies.

Sure it's possible but I also think it's pretty difficult to disagree with "we re changing the name simply because feminine products no longer reflects the product range, which now includes incontinence pads for men.".

It's not really one to be bothered by like the Telegraph seem to be IMO.

The who wrote a letter of complaint seems to disagree,

[butchstewie]

You may not agree with them - I don't - but that sort of language to describe them is just ridiculous.

[Triumph Man]

butchstewie said:

If you cut through the headline it reads like part of the reason is that that area of the store now includes male incontinence products so perhaps "feminine care" wasn't the most appropriate name.

The Complaint said:

Not all people who have periods are women. Trans men and some non-binary people have periods. The category also includes products used for incontinence. Yet the language we use still suggests that these products are exclusively for women and femininity.

To some people, that might seem like a small detail. To me, it isn t. Words matter because people matter. This matters to me because inclusion should never be conditional or performative. If we say everyone is welcome, then our language should reflect everyone.

To me it reads like part of their store is no longer just products for women but the Telegraph have seized on the "trans" part.

Now I always thought that if you are FTM even if you've still got a vagina the hormones you take will mean that certain things don't happen - like periods.

[moanthebairns]

butchstewie said:

You may not agree with them - I don't - but that sort of language to describe them is just ridiculous.

Have a day off its widely used for everyone up in Scotland, to not use it would be transphobic. After all - 'To some people, that might seem like a small detail. To me, it isn’t. Words matter because people matter'.

[butchstewie]

Triumph Man said:

Now I always thought that if you are FTM even if you've still got a vagina the hormones you take will mean that certain things don't happen - like periods.

Haven't a clue tbh. I'm just struggling why anyone (not yourself) would get excited because a supermarket has decided that "Feminine Products" might not be the most suitable name for a display containing men and women's products.

[Spare tyre]

suthol said:

Manhole Cover

Very good

[T6 vanman]

suthol said:

Manhole Cover

Condons

[Ultuous]

Patio said:

Ritchie335is said:

Just rename them Fanny Ammo to remove any chance of gender related offence.

Can't believe anyone would think this a bad idea

Love it, but too risky in terms of litigation (all it would take would be some misinformed soul over from across the pond to shove one up their bum )

[moanthebairns]

butchstewie said:

Triumph Man said:

Now I always thought that if you are FTM even if you've still got a vagina the hormones you take will mean that certain things don't happen - like periods.

Haven't a clue tbh. I'm just struggling why anyone (not yourself) would get excited because a supermarket has decided that "Feminine Products" might not be the most suitable name for a display containing men and women's products.

Their product they can do with it as they please. But why aren't you asking the trans person this who complained about the fanny pads. The very fact it's all came about due to their complaint, they took offence to it being labelled as feminine, no one on here. It's one thing to comment on ph about it, it's another thing to get the biro out and write to Waitrose.

Do you not see the irony of what you posted or are you on a personal crusade to be as woke as fk on every topic. I'm not even arsed about it, I don't even shop in Lidl or read the telegraph, nor do I menstruate being and identifying as a bloke, but at least I'm not so institutionalised to be able to go 'they're fking at it'. The fatigue is real.

[Murph7355]

butchstewie said:

Triumph Man said:

Now I always thought that if you are FTM even if you've still got a vagina the hormones you take will mean that certain things don't happen - like periods.

Haven't a clue tbh. I'm just struggling why anyone (not yourself) would get excited because a supermarket has decided that "Feminine Products" might not be the most suitable name for a display containing men and women's products.

No uterus, no menstruating.

Take certain hormone drugs, you can get other menstrual symptoms of them I have read. Which I suppose makes sense as the same thing happens in reverse.

I guess the "trans" thing is woman>man and not the other way round in this context.

Non-story. Must be a slow news day...it would be very mildly (ie as close to not as you can get) interesting to see who the journo was and who the "complainant" was. But who really gives a toss.

(I guess the answer may be a very small subset of women who don't see anything wrong with words like feminine?),

I can't think of men's incontinence without thinking of Billy Connolly.

[butchstewie]

moanthebairns said:

Their product they can do with it as they please. But why aren't you asking the trans person this who complained about the fanny pads. The very fact it's all came about due to their complaint, they took offence to it being labelled as feminine, no one on here. It's one thing to comment on ph about it, it's another thing to get the biro out and write to Waitrose.

Do you not see the irony of what you posted or are you on a personal crusade to be as woke as fk on every topic. I'm not even arsed about it, I don't even shop in Lidl or read the telegraph, nor do I menstruate being and identifying as a bloke, but at least I'm not so institutionalised to be able to go 'they're fking at it'. The fatigue is real.

How am I supposed to ask them?

Perhaps their complaint was a trigger that caused someone to realise "hold on we're selling mens incontinence products on the same display that's labelled as feminine products perhaps there's a more suitable name for that display".

And it's not about being "woke" - that's a bit lazy really - it's just that times do change and it's peak NP&E to have a bunch of men banging on about "fanny pads" and all angry because the name of a display in a supermarket has been updated to something more appropriate because it now includes products for male incontinence.