991 v 992 prices. What am missing?
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Just browsing the classifieds as you do, I am thinking I might upgrade my 997 C2S in 3 years or so when I retire, and I would probably be looking to spend around 70 to 80k.
I don't get why some 2012-13 991's are asking high 50-60k, yet the 2019-2020 992's are only an extra 10k. Surely the later model is a no brainer pound for pound? Or am i missing something?
I would be open to n/a or turbo, it doesnt bother me particularly, although I suppose I ought to drive a few before deciding on spec.I know there are reliability issues on the turbo cars, whats the general thoughts please?
I don't get why some 2012-13 991's are asking high 50-60k, yet the 2019-2020 992's are only an extra 10k. Surely the later model is a no brainer pound for pound? Or am i missing something?
I would be open to n/a or turbo, it doesnt bother me particularly, although I suppose I ought to drive a few before deciding on spec.I know there are reliability issues on the turbo cars, whats the general thoughts please?
You may not care too much about turbo vs N/A but many do. Turbos suck out engine and exhaust noise and change the way that power is delivered so much that they may as well be two completely different models. People who really enjoy the classic flat-six sound and power delivery don't want a turbo, and that's what's keeping 997 and 991.1 prices higher in comparison with 991.2 and 992 prices. It's purely driven by demand. The newer cars look quite similar to the older cars, but in most of the important aspects they offer a very different driving experience.
As has been said, you may well regret selling or trading in your 997.
As has been said, you may well regret selling or trading in your 997.
What’s the reason for the change?
They’re all quick. They all handle well. If you’re wanting a modern do-it-all sports car then the 992 is a fair step up in terms of being a nice place to sit. They’re objectively better performers - no surprises there.
If you want to swap your 997 for something more modern but of a similar ilk, I’d consider Cayman. They’re closer in character to the 997.
Your budget will get you a GTS 4.0 or a 981 GTS with change. Both brilliant things.
They’re all good choices, but the newer-gen 911s are very different to the 997.
They’re all quick. They all handle well. If you’re wanting a modern do-it-all sports car then the 992 is a fair step up in terms of being a nice place to sit. They’re objectively better performers - no surprises there.
If you want to swap your 997 for something more modern but of a similar ilk, I’d consider Cayman. They’re closer in character to the 997.
Your budget will get you a GTS 4.0 or a 981 GTS with change. Both brilliant things.
They’re all good choices, but the newer-gen 911s are very different to the 997.
Royal Jelly said:
What s the reason for the change?
I d consider Cayman. They re closer in character to the 997.
Your budget will get you a GTS 4.0 or a 981 GTS with change. Both brilliant things.
Oh yes for the lovely 3.8 of the 997.2s how about the 981Gt4 with it s lovely manual shift, proper old school and less than 600 delivered to the UK so prices will remain firmI d consider Cayman. They re closer in character to the 997.
Your budget will get you a GTS 4.0 or a 981 GTS with change. Both brilliant things.
Edited by GT4P on Sunday 12th July 16:12
GT4P said:
If you have a 997.2 I would keep it you will regret selling. If it s a bit tired have a refresh of suspension etc.
IMHO the Gen2 997 manual is peak water cooled generation.
Mines a 2006 997.1 C2S manual. There was a guy at Anglessy trackday last week in a lovely RS Spyder (Boxster) who came into our garage to say he had a .2 in the same guards red as mine, that he regretted selling.IMHO the Gen2 997 manual is peak water cooled generation.
LunarOne said:
You may not care too much about turbo vs N/A but many do. Turbos suck out engine and exhaust noise and change the way that power is delivered so much that they may as well be two completely different models. People who really enjoy the classic flat-six sound and power delivery don't want a turbo, and that's what's keeping 997 and 991.1 prices higher in comparison with 991.2 and 992 prices. It's purely driven by demand. The newer cars look quite similar to the older cars, but in most of the important aspects they offer a very different driving experience.
As has been said, you may well regret selling or trading in your 997.
Understood, that seems a common theme. As has been said, you may well regret selling or trading in your 997.
Royal Jelly said:
What s the reason for the change?
They re all quick. They all handle well. If you re wanting a modern do-it-all sports car then the 992 is a fair step up in terms of being a nice place to sit. They re objectively better performers - no surprises there.
If you want to swap your 997 for something more modern but of a similar ilk, I d consider Cayman. They re closer in character to the 997.
Your budget will get you a GTS 4.0 or a 981 GTS with change. Both brilliant things.
They re all good choices, but the newer-gen 911s are very different to the 997.
I would like to do a few european road trips after retirement, I just think the 997 is getting quite old now, I am trying to go thru it and keep on top of the usual issues, but maybe I'm getting a bit soft, and want a bit more insulation and luxury to go with the 911 shape i love.They re all quick. They all handle well. If you re wanting a modern do-it-all sports car then the 992 is a fair step up in terms of being a nice place to sit. They re objectively better performers - no surprises there.
If you want to swap your 997 for something more modern but of a similar ilk, I d consider Cayman. They re closer in character to the 997.
Your budget will get you a GTS 4.0 or a 981 GTS with change. Both brilliant things.
They re all good choices, but the newer-gen 911s are very different to the 997.
andrew-494ym said:
Mines a 2006 997.1 C2S manual. There was a guy at Anglessy trackday last week in a lovely RS Spyder (Boxster) who came into our garage to say he had a .2 in the same guards red as mine, that he regretted selling.
So owning a 997.1 C2S is a lovely car but bore score and ims issues are a worry but can be dealt with but personally I would want to move on from that scenario.
So I can see the attraction of upgrading to a 991 or 992 , personally perhaps consider something like a 991.2 T or as previously mentioned a 981GT4
I am of an opinion where I like to avoid early models ie with 991.2 2015/16 and 992.1 2019/20 models as problems always arise during first 18 months of a new models life
andrew-494ym said:
I would like to do a few european road trips after retirement, I just think the 997 is getting quite old now, I am trying to go thru it and keep on top of the usual issues, but maybe I'm getting a bit soft, and want a bit more insulation and luxury to go with the 911 shape i love.
And there s absolutely nothing wrong with that. As a vehicle for covering miles in pleasant, reliable surroundings the 992 will be superior.Of course, the purists view will not favour the more modern powertrain. I absolutely love a screaming NA, but I made peace with the fact that what i have in the 992 is more suited to my usage these days. No regrets at all. The game has moved on. My game has moved on too
In an ideal world i d have both but even then the 992 would be the car id drive most of the time with the 997 (or 991.1 GT3) for the occasional fast blat
Edited by DoubleSix on Sunday 12th July 21:00
andrew-494ym said:
I would like to do a few european road trips after retirement, I just think the 997 is getting quite old now, I am trying to go thru it and keep on top of the usual issues, but maybe I'm getting a bit soft, and want a bit more insulation and luxury to go with the 911 shape i love.
That s entirely fair. I was just checking in to see that you knew that a more modern like-for-like to your 997 would be a 981/718 Cayman; apologies if there was any teachings about sucking eggs!I m a 981S owner. I love it to bits, and for its use case in the UK for Yorkshire country roads on a holiday (I live abroad), it s hard to find something I would rather shop it in for, shy of adding significant cash.
I m also waiting delivery of a 992.2 where I live. It ll be a daily and recreational car. Road trips etc.. like you, a modern 911 works so much better for me in that instance.
Have a look at the 992 cars - if it s for road trips and a bit of extra comfort, nicer cabin etc.. they re a big step up from the 991. Performance is also a step up, as you’d expect, but that’s not necessarily the crux of the matter.
As much as I love the 991, it seems neither fish nor foul in your situation. 991.1 sounds beaut, though.
Edited by Royal Jelly on Sunday 12th July 22:06
andrew-494ym said:
Royal Jelly said:
What s the reason for the change?
They re all quick. They all handle well. If you re wanting a modern do-it-all sports car then the 992 is a fair step up in terms of being a nice place to sit. They re objectively better performers - no surprises there.
If you want to swap your 997 for something more modern but of a similar ilk, I d consider Cayman. They re closer in character to the 997.
Your budget will get you a GTS 4.0 or a 981 GTS with change. Both brilliant things.
They re all good choices, but the newer-gen 911s are very different to the 997.
I would like to do a few european road trips after retirement, I just think the 997 is getting quite old now, I am trying to go thru it and keep on top of the usual issues, but maybe I'm getting a bit soft, and want a bit more insulation and luxury to go with the 911 shape i love.They re all quick. They all handle well. If you re wanting a modern do-it-all sports car then the 992 is a fair step up in terms of being a nice place to sit. They re objectively better performers - no surprises there.
If you want to swap your 997 for something more modern but of a similar ilk, I d consider Cayman. They re closer in character to the 997.
Your budget will get you a GTS 4.0 or a 981 GTS with change. Both brilliant things.
They re all good choices, but the newer-gen 911s are very different to the 997.
They’re really fun and easy to drive, and have upgraded electronics without all the nanny stuff that’s been enforced on us lately
Having the model that suits you is probably even more important than the generation. A C2S manual feels different to a Targa 4S PDK or a Turbo S.
I really like the drive and engines in the 997, but the 991.2 is a much better cockpit to sit in and has apple carplay. The 992 4S PDK felt closer to my old Taycan 4S, then my much modified 991.2 C2 manual. This may seem like a crazy statement, but I struggle to feel the rear engined dynamic in the 4wd models.
Another option would be to invest in your 997. A Hartech 4.1 litre engine rebuild and a set of Ohlins coilovers with new top mounts and control arms could transform the drive.
I really like the drive and engines in the 997, but the 991.2 is a much better cockpit to sit in and has apple carplay. The 992 4S PDK felt closer to my old Taycan 4S, then my much modified 991.2 C2 manual. This may seem like a crazy statement, but I struggle to feel the rear engined dynamic in the 4wd models.
Another option would be to invest in your 997. A Hartech 4.1 litre engine rebuild and a set of Ohlins coilovers with new top mounts and control arms could transform the drive.
DoubleSix said:
Of course, the purists view will not favour the more modern powertrain.
The "purists" tend to be a tedious bunch IMO, stuck in the past and often doing a lot more polishing than driving. There's a good reason you actually see these cars out on the road rather than locked away in a heated garage.Sounds like you have an answer and there is a 911 for everyone. If you want a comfy GT with a 911 shape go for the newest 911 you can afford (as they get better at that with each iteration). 992 is your choice hands down. Doesn’t mean it’s the right one for everyone but would hit your criteria well.
crystalmethod said:
andrew-494ym said:
Royal Jelly said:
What s the reason for the change?
They re all quick. They all handle well. If you re wanting a modern do-it-all sports car then the 992 is a fair step up in terms of being a nice place to sit. They re objectively better performers - no surprises there.
If you want to swap your 997 for something more modern but of a similar ilk, I d consider Cayman. They re closer in character to the 997.
Your budget will get you a GTS 4.0 or a 981 GTS with change. Both brilliant things.
They re all good choices, but the newer-gen 911s are very different to the 997.
I would like to do a few european road trips after retirement, I just think the 997 is getting quite old now, I am trying to go thru it and keep on top of the usual issues, but maybe I'm getting a bit soft, and want a bit more insulation and luxury to go with the 911 shape i love.They re all quick. They all handle well. If you re wanting a modern do-it-all sports car then the 992 is a fair step up in terms of being a nice place to sit. They re objectively better performers - no surprises there.
If you want to swap your 997 for something more modern but of a similar ilk, I d consider Cayman. They re closer in character to the 997.
Your budget will get you a GTS 4.0 or a 981 GTS with change. Both brilliant things.
They re all good choices, but the newer-gen 911s are very different to the 997.
They re really fun and easy to drive, and have upgraded electronics without all the nanny stuff that s been enforced on us lately
Obvs final spec will be down to you but you get the general idea....
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