Skoda front assist is dangerous
Discussion
My daughter was out in the Kamiq last night and the car slammed the brakes on unexpectedly, stopping the car.. There was a motorbike waiting to emerge from a side street on the left side but he was stationary, waiting at the junction. There was a car behind her and it was a close call, as the car was quite near.My daughter was badly shaken up.
These safety features seem to be equally able to cause an accident as preventing one. We can disable this feature on a temporary basis, but can it be done permanently?
These safety features seem to be equally able to cause an accident as preventing one. We can disable this feature on a temporary basis, but can it be done permanently?
That's a topic of debate.
1: Check/adjust wheel alignment then calibration of ADAS systems. Sensors/cameras can be far enough within spec that they 'work' but not optimally.
2: ADAS functionality testing is an active conversation on whether/how it should be tested as working at MOT.
3: Disabling safety systems will not make your insurance company happy. If you bodge an ABS or airbag warning light off then crash and hurt someone who will pay?
4: Don't tailgate, don't drive while distracted. The issue of poor driver education and driving standards in the UK.
5: How many times has a person panic-braked where ultimately it proves unnecessary? You're late to see someone approaching a roundabout fast (who does then stop) and yourself brake hard, where ultimately it proves redundant.
1: Check/adjust wheel alignment then calibration of ADAS systems. Sensors/cameras can be far enough within spec that they 'work' but not optimally.
2: ADAS functionality testing is an active conversation on whether/how it should be tested as working at MOT.
3: Disabling safety systems will not make your insurance company happy. If you bodge an ABS or airbag warning light off then crash and hurt someone who will pay?
4: Don't tailgate, don't drive while distracted. The issue of poor driver education and driving standards in the UK.
5: How many times has a person panic-braked where ultimately it proves unnecessary? You're late to see someone approaching a roundabout fast (who does then stop) and yourself brake hard, where ultimately it proves redundant.
Dr G said:
Trevor555 said:
Sounds like it's developed a fault, get it checked out.
I disagree, that sounds like what these systems do occasionally (but are worse if not perfectly calibrated). Very unlikely to be a fault.Some weeks I can move 20 cars or so.
Adding up all the cars I've moved over the past 10/12 years (whilst these syetems have been on cars) I've never had one slam the brakes on.
A few unexpected warnings (birds maybe?) but I repeat, never had any of the cars slam on the brakes.
I'll guess in the last 10/15 years or so, I've moved at least10,000 cars/Vans.
20 years as a motor dealer, and have had cars with varying levels of ADAS systems myself for the last 10 of those. Predominantly Audi but a lot of other VAG stuff and various other marques in part exchange etc. There are probably some days where I drive 20 different cars.
I have experienced false braking-guard interventions many times. If the system is 'broken' it will typically turn itself off and warn the driver.
If you like I can put you in my car on a certain road and instruct you on how to (repeatably) trigger a false braking guard intervention. Gentle left into sharper right, with chevron signs on the outside of the sharper right. Approach with gusto and the gentle left initially masks the signs on the sharper right. Radar then picks it up later (when approached with enough speed), and assumes you're rapidly approaching a stationary object. It isn't broken, but it can be fooled or mistaken. Improper calibration will 100% exacerbate this.
I have experienced false braking-guard interventions many times. If the system is 'broken' it will typically turn itself off and warn the driver.
If you like I can put you in my car on a certain road and instruct you on how to (repeatably) trigger a false braking guard intervention. Gentle left into sharper right, with chevron signs on the outside of the sharper right. Approach with gusto and the gentle left initially masks the signs on the sharper right. Radar then picks it up later (when approached with enough speed), and assumes you're rapidly approaching a stationary object. It isn't broken, but it can be fooled or mistaken. Improper calibration will 100% exacerbate this.
Dr G said:
20 years as a motor dealer, and have had cars with varying levels of ADAS systems myself for the last 10 of those. Predominantly Audi but a lot of other VAG stuff and various other marques in part exchange etc. There are probably some days where I drive 20 different cars.
I have experienced false braking-guard interventions many times.
(when approached with enough speed)
Well I'm shocked, or maybe I just drive too slowly.I have experienced false braking-guard interventions many times.
(when approached with enough speed)
I was also a dealer myself until 2007 (crikey I'm old)
Since then I've been buying, and moving, for other dealer friends. (high percentage of VAG stuff)
I simply disagree with the OP telling everyone the Skoda assist is dangerous.
Dr G said:
Trevor555 said:
Sounds like it's developed a fault, get it checked out.
I disagree, that sounds like what these systems do occasionally (but are worse if not perfectly calibrated). Very unlikely to be a fault.I had a new car last year, a Dacia Bigster, and that suddenly slammed on its brakes at 70mph on a motorway.
I think all these systems are expensive junk and drivers should learn to actually drive their cars.
I've used the adaptive cruise on it twice. Sure, it's very clever and even deals with slowing to a stop in traffic jams and starting off again, but .......
As a responsible driver I am ready to take over to a point that I have my feet hovering over the pedals just in case.
More stressful than actually driving the thing but my big worry is gormless drivers just relaxing and not concentrating when using this system.
Until everything is automated fully, these systems should not be on driver operated cars.
I can turn off that darn lane assist on my current car by putting it in track mode
I'm clever enough to use the indicators when there are other cars on the motorway and not bother if I'm the only car there.
I think all these systems are expensive junk and drivers should learn to actually drive their cars.
I've used the adaptive cruise on it twice. Sure, it's very clever and even deals with slowing to a stop in traffic jams and starting off again, but .......
As a responsible driver I am ready to take over to a point that I have my feet hovering over the pedals just in case.
More stressful than actually driving the thing but my big worry is gormless drivers just relaxing and not concentrating when using this system.
Until everything is automated fully, these systems should not be on driver operated cars.
I can turn off that darn lane assist on my current car by putting it in track mode
I'm clever enough to use the indicators when there are other cars on the motorway and not bother if I'm the only car there.
Trevor555 said:
Dr G said:
20 years as a motor dealer, and have had cars with varying levels of ADAS systems myself for the last 10 of those. Predominantly Audi but a lot of other VAG stuff and various other marques in part exchange etc. There are probably some days where I drive 20 different cars.
I have experienced false braking-guard interventions many times.
(when approached with enough speed)
Well I'm shocked, or maybe I just drive too slowly.I have experienced false braking-guard interventions many times.
(when approached with enough speed)
I was also a dealer myself until 2007 (crikey I'm old)
Since then I've been buying, and moving, for other dealer friends. (high percentage of VAG stuff)
I simply disagree with the OP telling everyone the Skoda assist is dangerous.
So my daughter executing an emergency stop while her foot was on the gas, and a car close behind is not dangerous? Give your head a wobble.
If I have the active cruise control on mine slows down every time it see’s a certain tree on the way to work.
The another annoying thing is if you have the acc set and the car in front brakes without warning it flashes up a big red warning, starts to brake and then stops and tells you to take over. I now have it set on the longest distance between cars and my foot over the brake. I would turn it off if I could.
The another annoying thing is if you have the acc set and the car in front brakes without warning it flashes up a big red warning, starts to brake and then stops and tells you to take over. I now have it set on the longest distance between cars and my foot over the brake. I would turn it off if I could.
I have a three month old Audi A6, which slammed the brakes on (completely unnecessarily) on day one, so I got into the onboard 'puter and changed the settings to stop the car being an idiot...setting it to 'minimal intervention'.
Not had a problem since.
Have read of many that have had similar issues, and done similar, all of which have reported no further problems.
Not had a problem since.
Have read of many that have had similar issues, and done similar, all of which have reported no further problems.
GetCarter said:
I have a three month old Audi A6, which slammed the brakes on (completely unnecessarily) on day one, so I got into the onboard 'puter and changed the settings to stop the car being an idiot...setting it to 'minimal intervention'.
Not had a problem since.
Have read of many that have had similar issues, and done similar, all of which have reported no further problems.
Same with my Q5, but the Kamiq has only one setting. Doubly annoyingNot had a problem since.
Have read of many that have had similar issues, and done similar, all of which have reported no further problems.
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