State pension age to rise to 68 earlier than planned
State pension age to rise to 68 earlier than planned
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Slow.Patrol

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5,261 posts

41 months

Yesterday (08:53)
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https://www.moneymarketing.co.uk/news/treasury-con...

I was listening to Jeremy Vine yesterday and a caller made a comment that today's OAPs were leaving school at 16, whereas now it is 18 or later for university students. He cut her short, but it was very relevant.

NRS

25,889 posts

228 months

Yesterday (14:39)
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Deal with it, life isn't always fair. Also judging by the mess left behind then 2 years difference in leaving school isn't exactly a big issue.

Slow.Patrol

Original Poster:

5,261 posts

41 months

Yesterday (14:51)
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NRS said:
Deal with it, life isn't always fair. Also judging by the mess left behind then 2 years difference in leaving school isn't exactly a big issue.
I'm already retired, if that was directed at me.

I agree with the caller to Jeremy Vine. Two thirds of my generation left school at 16 to work or an apprenticeship. I see it as a part consequence of that policy.

Apparently a 16 year old is too young to work, but old enough to vote.

ozzuk

1,431 posts

154 months

Yesterday (14:53)
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This was a recommendation by a reporting organisation but it hasn't been agreed at yet. Currently I believe its still 67 if born before April 1977, 68 after that. Lots of headlines today trying to grab attention though!

Spare tyre

12,432 posts

157 months

Yesterday (14:55)
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Too many noses in the big trough

Something has to give

Countdown

48,702 posts

223 months

Yesterday (15:00)
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NRS said:
Deal with it, life isn't always fair.
This.

Or pay into a private pension so you can still retire early.

Peterpetrole

1,629 posts

24 months

Yesterday (15:05)
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ozzuk said:
This was a recommendation by a reporting organisation but it hasn't been agreed at yet. Currently I believe its still 67 if born before April 1977, 68 after that. Lots of headlines today trying to grab attention though!
This was covered in some excellent reporting in the Times yesterday.

The proposal has been uncovered in official government economic forecast data along the lines of 'the working assumption is that 68 will be introduced much sooner than the official changeover date, but we are not going to announce it anytime soon due to electoral considerations'

Cats_pyjamas

1,888 posts

175 months

Yesterday (15:16)
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Pretty sure you can still leave school to work at 16, as part of an apprenticeship. Non argument. State pension age is clearly going to rise whether we like it or not. I'm banking on it being 70 (60 to access private pension) when I get to 60 around 2050. So making provisions around my forecast!

Mr Pointy

13,236 posts

186 months

Yesterday (15:18)
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Slow.Patrol said:
Apparently a 16 year old is too young to work, but old enough to vote for Labour & more bennies.
EFA

chrispmartha

22,921 posts

156 months

Yesterday (15:20)
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Slow.Patrol said:
NRS said:
Deal with it, life isn't always fair. Also judging by the mess left behind then 2 years difference in leaving school isn't exactly a big issue.
I'm already retired, if that was directed at me.

I agree with the caller to Jeremy Vine. Two thirds of my generation left school at 16 to work or an apprenticeship. I see it as a part consequence of that policy.

Apparently a 16 year old is too young to work, but old enough to vote.
You can work at 16 in this country

S600BSB

7,932 posts

133 months

Yesterday (15:25)
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Countdown said:
NRS said:
Deal with it, life isn't always fair.
This.

Or pay into a private pension so you can still retire early.
Exactly

gregs656

12,241 posts

208 months

Yesterday (15:37)
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Keeping the triple lock is not just impacting young people any more. Maybe some people closer to retirement age will support removing it if the alternative is raising retirement age more quickly than planned.

TriumphStag3.0V8

5,344 posts

108 months

Yesterday (15:37)
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chrispmartha said:
Slow.Patrol said:
NRS said:
Deal with it, life isn't always fair. Also judging by the mess left behind then 2 years difference in leaving school isn't exactly a big issue.
I'm already retired, if that was directed at me.

I agree with the caller to Jeremy Vine. Two thirds of my generation left school at 16 to work or an apprenticeship. I see it as a part consequence of that policy.

Apparently a 16 year old is too young to work, but old enough to vote.
You can work at 16 in this country
What is the percentage of 16 year olds in work now vs, say 40 years ago?

Tell you what... let me google it for you....

"In 1986, approximately 20% of 16-year-olds in the UK were in employment. Today, only about 1.7% to 2% of the total 16 to 17-year-old population is employed full-time. This dramatic drop is largely because the legal leaving age for education and training was raised to 18, meaning nearly all 16-year-olds are now in full-time education."

So a massive difference.

dxg

10,514 posts

287 months

Yesterday (15:41)
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That's what happens when you devalue the trades and destroy the industrial base.

moanthebairns

18,892 posts

225 months

Yesterday (15:42)
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NRS said:
Deal with it, life isn't always fair. Also judging by the mess left behind then 2 years difference in leaving school isn't exactly a big issue.
It was overly fair for boomers it appears.

DJC76

13,510 posts

152 months

Yesterday (15:49)
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TriumphStag3.0V8 said:
What is the percentage of 16 year olds in work now vs, say 40 years ago?

Tell you what... let me google it for you....

"In 1986, approximately 20% of 16-year-olds in the UK were in employment. Today, only about 1.7% to 2% of the total 16 to 17-year-old population is employed full-time. This dramatic drop is largely because the legal leaving age for education and training was raised to 18, meaning nearly all 16-year-olds are now in full-time education."

So a massive difference.
Genuine question, were apprenticeships classed as full time work back in ‘86? They’re not any more because you spend at least 1 day per week at a technical college at 16-18. I know that won’t explain an 18% difference but I can’t say that I have any issue with it, nor do I have any issue with raising the pension age to 68. A nice round figure of 50 years working doesn’t sound crazy to me.

fiatpower

3,614 posts

198 months

Yesterday (15:57)
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Cats_pyjamas said:
Pretty sure you can still leave school to work at 16, as part of an apprenticeship. Non argument. State pension age is clearly going to rise whether we like it or not. I'm banking on it being 70 (60 to access private pension) when I get to 60 around 2050. So making provisions around my forecast!
You're the same age as me. I'd be amazed if there's still a state pension which isn't means tested by then.

P-Jay

11,340 posts

218 months

Yesterday (16:00)
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Is this 'news'? NHRC has been telling me 68 for at least a few years, I'm 49 now.

LordGrover

34,135 posts

239 months

Yesterday (16:03)
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A justification for the triple lock is despite it being in place for c. 15 years, British pensioners are still way behind most of our European cousins.


Cats_pyjamas

1,888 posts

175 months

Yesterday (16:04)
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fiatpower said:
Cats_pyjamas said:
Pretty sure you can still leave school to work at 16, as part of an apprenticeship. Non argument. State pension age is clearly going to rise whether we like it or not. I'm banking on it being 70 (60 to access private pension) when I get to 60 around 2050. So making provisions around my forecast!
You're the same age as me. I'd be amazed if there's still a state pension which isn't means tested by then.
Hoping for the best but planning for the worst. It wouldn't surprise me either, and unfortunately it's those who have been prudent and saved will be shafted.