seal / i4m60 / cupra born vz / others?
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my lease of my cupra born is expiring at the end of september and i'm looking for a change, ideally something fast and sporty if possible (but has to be electric, it's a company car that will be ran through my business)
atm i'm considering (8k pa / 1 month initial upfront)
bmw i4m60 - £547/month
cuprz born vz - £430/month
polestar 2 performance - £450/month
byd seal excellence - £410 a month
the 5n would have been perfect but the lease deals are long gone now and unlikely to be back, current prices would be £700+ a month so too high, I think £550 is the most I can justify
any suggestions or thoughts welcome!
atm i'm considering (8k pa / 1 month initial upfront)
bmw i4m60 - £547/month
cuprz born vz - £430/month
polestar 2 performance - £450/month
byd seal excellence - £410 a month
the 5n would have been perfect but the lease deals are long gone now and unlikely to be back, current prices would be £700+ a month so too high, I think £550 is the most I can justify
any suggestions or thoughts welcome!
I'm just about to move from a Polestar Performance to a Seal Excellence. The Polestar has been a fantastic car over the last 3 years and I'd have had another if it had a facelift or significant update. As it stands I didn't want to pay new car prices for a 5 year old design (a long long time in the current EV market). I'd also suggest that although the performance pack alone elevates the looks and handling of the car, I wouldn't have one without the pano roof, upgraded interior and sound system of the Plus pack.
The Seal which I'm moving to is a slightly more modern design but the drawbacks are slow DC charging (only 150kW which is low for today) and it has no one pedal driving. Otherwise it's a lovely place to sit, looks great and is very quick. It's not quite as sporty a drive as the Polestar (as much as a 2 ton+ car can be) but feels like a great daily. Some of the difference in feel could be down to the tyres as well since the Polestar comes with performance focused conti PremiumContact whereas the Seal has Eco tyres which is a bit of a joke with 530bhp.
If it is a factor, the Polestar only comes in shades of grey whereas the new metallic red colour on the Seal is lovely. I'm looking forward to have some colour in my life again!
The Seal which I'm moving to is a slightly more modern design but the drawbacks are slow DC charging (only 150kW which is low for today) and it has no one pedal driving. Otherwise it's a lovely place to sit, looks great and is very quick. It's not quite as sporty a drive as the Polestar (as much as a 2 ton+ car can be) but feels like a great daily. Some of the difference in feel could be down to the tyres as well since the Polestar comes with performance focused conti PremiumContact whereas the Seal has Eco tyres which is a bit of a joke with 530bhp.
If it is a factor, the Polestar only comes in shades of grey whereas the new metallic red colour on the Seal is lovely. I'm looking forward to have some colour in my life again!
John87 said:
I'm just about to move from a Polestar Performance to a Seal Excellence. The Polestar has been a fantastic car over the last 3 years and I'd have had another if it had a facelift or significant update. As it stands I didn't want to pay new car prices for a 5 year old design (a long long time in the current EV market). I'd also suggest that although the performance pack alone elevates the looks and handling of the car, I wouldn't have one without the pano roof, upgraded interior and sound system of the Plus pack.
The Seal which I'm moving to is a slightly more modern design but the drawbacks are slow DC charging (only 150kW which is low for today) and it has no one pedal driving. Otherwise it's a lovely place to sit, looks great and is very quick. It's not quite as sporty a drive as the Polestar (as much as a 2 ton+ car can be) but feels like a great daily. Some of the difference in feel could be down to the tyres as well since the Polestar comes with performance focused conti PremiumContact whereas the Seal has Eco tyres which is a bit of a joke with 530bhp.
If it is a factor, the Polestar only comes in shades of grey whereas the new metallic red colour on the Seal is lovely. I'm looking forward to have some colour in my life again!
ty for the reply, it's a really hard decision and it would probably make sense to drive them allThe Seal which I'm moving to is a slightly more modern design but the drawbacks are slow DC charging (only 150kW which is low for today) and it has no one pedal driving. Otherwise it's a lovely place to sit, looks great and is very quick. It's not quite as sporty a drive as the Polestar (as much as a 2 ton+ car can be) but feels like a great daily. Some of the difference in feel could be down to the tyres as well since the Polestar comes with performance focused conti PremiumContact whereas the Seal has Eco tyres which is a bit of a joke with 530bhp.
If it is a factor, the Polestar only comes in shades of grey whereas the new metallic red colour on the Seal is lovely. I'm looking forward to have some colour in my life again!
byd easily the best value for money and in a way the sensible option I think
I assume you're ok with the Seal being a four-door saloon whereas the others are five-doors - in which case the Model 3 Performance could be worth considering.
On the above point it looks like Polestar include the Prime pack (which includes Plus) now, and Performance gets the hifi and magic headlights too - which perhaps goes some way to balance the VFM on what is an older car, albeit the electric bits were updated for MY2024. FWIW I like my '21 Dual Motor Polestar 2, not that I wouldn't try and drive the others if I was picking now.
On the above point it looks like Polestar include the Prime pack (which includes Plus) now, and Performance gets the hifi and magic headlights too - which perhaps goes some way to balance the VFM on what is an older car, albeit the electric bits were updated for MY2024. FWIW I like my '21 Dual Motor Polestar 2, not that I wouldn't try and drive the others if I was picking now.
samoht said:
I assume you're ok with the Seal being a four-door saloon whereas the others are five-doors - in which case the Model 3 Performance could be worth considering.
On the above point it looks like Polestar include the Prime pack (which includes Plus) now, and Performance gets the hifi and magic headlights too - which perhaps goes some way to balance the VFM on what is an older car, albeit the electric bits were updated for MY2024. FWIW I like my '21 Dual Motor Polestar 2, not that I wouldn't try and drive the others if I was picking now.
doors aren't really an issue, just need the rear space is allOn the above point it looks like Polestar include the Prime pack (which includes Plus) now, and Performance gets the hifi and magic headlights too - which perhaps goes some way to balance the VFM on what is an older car, albeit the electric bits were updated for MY2024. FWIW I like my '21 Dual Motor Polestar 2, not that I wouldn't try and drive the others if I was picking now.
would consider the model 3 performance but it's just crazy how expensive it is on lease for some reason
John87 said:
I'm just about to move from a Polestar Performance to a Seal Excellence. The Polestar has been a fantastic car over the last 3 years and I'd have had another if it had a facelift or significant update. As it stands I didn't want to pay new car prices for a 5 year old design (a long long time in the current EV market). I'd also suggest that although the performance pack alone elevates the looks and handling of the car, I wouldn't have one without the pano roof, upgraded interior and sound system of the Plus pack.
The Seal which I'm moving to is a slightly more modern design but the drawbacks are slow DC charging (only 150kW which is low for today) and it has no one pedal driving. Otherwise it's a lovely place to sit, looks great and is very quick. It's not quite as sporty a drive as the Polestar (as much as a 2 ton+ car can be) but feels like a great daily. Some of the difference in feel could be down to the tyres as well since the Polestar comes with performance focused conti PremiumContact whereas the Seal has Eco tyres which is a bit of a joke with 530bhp.
If it is a factor, the Polestar only comes in shades of grey whereas the new metallic red colour on the Seal is lovely. I'm looking forward to have some colour in my life again!
what was the throttle response like on the polestar perfromance? just test drove an excellence and found the whole thing bizzarely un-linear and at times laggy and annoying The Seal which I'm moving to is a slightly more modern design but the drawbacks are slow DC charging (only 150kW which is low for today) and it has no one pedal driving. Otherwise it's a lovely place to sit, looks great and is very quick. It's not quite as sporty a drive as the Polestar (as much as a 2 ton+ car can be) but feels like a great daily. Some of the difference in feel could be down to the tyres as well since the Polestar comes with performance focused conti PremiumContact whereas the Seal has Eco tyres which is a bit of a joke with 530bhp.
If it is a factor, the Polestar only comes in shades of grey whereas the new metallic red colour on the Seal is lovely. I'm looking forward to have some colour in my life again!
It's one of the main things the performance upgrade does so is pretty good. Most of the hardware is the same as the standard dual motor but the performance adds power and updates the throttle response to be a bit more aggressive.
It's definitely a sportier all round drive than the Seal if that's what you are after.
It's definitely a sportier all round drive than the Seal if that's what you are after.
John87 said:
It's one of the main things the performance upgrade does so is pretty good. Most of the hardware is the same as the standard dual motor but the performance adds power and updates the throttle response to be a bit more aggressive.
It's definitely a sportier all round drive than the Seal if that's what you are after.
How did you find the ride in the Polestar 2 Performance - reasonably compliant or a bit over firm with the larger alloys and firmer suspension? Assume yours was the pre-facelift model if you've had it for 3 years?It's definitely a sportier all round drive than the Seal if that's what you are after.
JNW1 said:
How did you find the ride in the Polestar 2 Performance - reasonably compliant or a bit over firm with the larger alloys and firmer suspension? Assume yours was the pre-facelift model if you've had it for 3 years?
Yeah mine is a 2023 with the black grille. The ride is on the firmer side but the suspension setting can be changed to be more comfortable. Mine is on factory settings which I think is number 8 of 20 but many prefer it on a higher setting which is softer. You can't adjust this on the fly though- its a case of manually turning an adjuster on each damper so not something you would change frequently.I'd say the throttle response on the Polestar 2 is very sharp (mine is Dual Motor without Performance pack but I added the Performance Software upgrade so same in that regard). If you stamp on the accelerator it'll be just as bad as stamping on the brake harshly, just in the opposite direction, if you see what I mean. After a few weeks I learned to apply my own 'smoothing' via my right foot, but it's as sharp as you like.
I test drove a Performance model, the Ohlins dampers do feel high quality. So it's firmer but the movement is well-damped. I've not had the chance to play with adjusting the dampers to find a ride sweet spot. I couldn't really decide if I found the Performance or standard setups more comfortable tbh. I think ride comfort is quite a personal thing, ideally you'd have a test drive over some reasonably bumpy roads and can decide for yourself.
samoht said:
I'd say the throttle response on the Polestar 2 is very sharp (mine is Dual Motor without Performance pack but I added the Performance Software upgrade so same in that regard). If you stamp on the accelerator it'll be just as bad as stamping on the brake harshly, just in the opposite direction, if you see what I mean. After a few weeks I learned to apply my own 'smoothing' via my right foot, but it's as sharp as you like.
I test drove a Performance model, the Ohlins dampers do feel high quality. So it's firmer but the movement is well-damped. I've not had the chance to play with adjusting the dampers to find a ride sweet spot. I couldn't really decide if I found the Performance or standard setups more comfortable tbh. I think ride comfort is quite a personal thing, ideally you'd have a test drive over some reasonably bumpy roads and can decide for yourself.
what's the regen like?I test drove a Performance model, the Ohlins dampers do feel high quality. So it's firmer but the movement is well-damped. I've not had the chance to play with adjusting the dampers to find a ride sweet spot. I couldn't really decide if I found the Performance or standard setups more comfortable tbh. I think ride comfort is quite a personal thing, ideally you'd have a test drive over some reasonably bumpy roads and can decide for yourself.
something I disliked about the seal was that the regen is so light that once you add the speed and get off the throttle it just flys ahead almost like you were in netural in a petrol car
The regen/ one pedal driving is the biggest thing I'm going to miss from the Polestar tbh. There are a few settings but you can do 90% of driving without ever touching the brake pedal if you want. It takes a bit of getting used to initially but when set to "standard", lifting off is the same as pressing the brake.
Yeah regen is pretty good. It feathers it in slightly to avoid jerks when you lift off, but allow for that and the actual one-pedal decel rate is decent. It doesn't have any paddles or anything so you're meant to pick a mode and stick with it, I leave mine in one-pedal and it works well for me. I mean, I'm someone who'd always like more lift-off regen so I can zoom up to junctions without wasting energy, but it's not bad. A little patience and looking ahead and you don't need to use the brake pedal.
The brake itself feels progressive and smooth to me, although I'm fairly sure the first bit of travel is adding more regen but it's nicely blended.
The brake itself feels progressive and smooth to me, although I'm fairly sure the first bit of travel is adding more regen but it's nicely blended.
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