Borrowed from mortgage for renovation, now have surplus...
Borrowed from mortgage for renovation, now have surplus...
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Consigliere

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404 posts

68 months

Thursday 16th July
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Long story short, remortgaged the house to take out money to undertake renovation works. 3 stages of renovation scheduled a) ground floor b) 1st floor c) garden.

Weve done renovation a and c, we dont need to do b and thus i have £30k surplus sitting in my cash ISA. I'm managing the monthly mortgage payments ok, not noticing the hit on day to day living.

Question is, do i pay that £30k back into my mortgage to reduce the outstanding balance or do I invest it.

if i was struggling with making my monthly mortgage payment or running short month to month it would be straight back in the bank. Currently my mortgage is running at less than 4% repayment.


Funk

27,529 posts

236 months

Thursday 16th July
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Do you get more than 4% on your Cash ISA? If not, the answer's surely to pay off the debt that's incurring more interest than you're making on the savings.

Or you move it to a S&S ISA, stick it in a global ETF and hope it grows. Bit up-and-downy at the moment though.

Terminator X

20,194 posts

231 months

Thursday 16th July
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Consigliere said:
Long story short, remortgaged the house to take out money to undertake renovation works. 3 stages of renovation scheduled a) ground floor b) 1st floor c) garden.

Weve done renovation a and c, we dont need to do b and thus i have £30k surplus sitting in my cash ISA. I'm managing the monthly mortgage payments ok, not noticing the hit on day to day living.

Question is, do i pay that £30k back into my mortgage to reduce the outstanding balance or do I invest it.

if i was struggling with making my monthly mortgage payment or running short month to month it would be straight back in the bank. Currently my mortgage is running at less than 4% repayment.
I have a bridge you can buy ...

TX.

Simpo Two

92,384 posts

292 months

Thursday 16th July
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Consigliere said:
Question is, do i pay that £30k back into my mortgage to reduce the outstanding balance or do I invest it.
If you borrowed the money how is the residue of £30K in an ISA? (or has it been hanging over for two FYs?)

FlyVintage

460 posts

18 months

Thursday 16th July
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Simpo Two said:
If you borrowed the money how is the residue of £30K in an ISA? (or has it been hanging over for two FYs?)
We not I?

Simpo Two

92,384 posts

292 months

Thursday 16th July
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FlyVintage said:
We not I?
Ah, marriage, didn't think of that. But he said 'I have £30k surplus sitting in my cash ISA'.

zsdom

1,795 posts

147 months

Thursday 16th July
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Can you ask your bank to re-direct the interest from your ISA(s) and use that to overpay and stay below the ERC until your fix ends then plow it back in

megaphone

11,589 posts

278 months

Friday 17th July
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If you can afford the current repayments then use it to reduce the term, take some years off the mortgage, if your mortgage allows. Paying off a mortgage early is the best financial decision you can make.

Richard-D

2,135 posts

91 months

Friday 17th July
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V8 Vantage?

keo

2,914 posts

197 months

Friday 17th July
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megaphone said:
If you can afford the current repayments then use it to reduce the term, take some years off the mortgage, if your mortgage allows. Paying off a mortgage early is the best financial decision you can make.
It isn’t always the best financial decision you can make.

Consigliere

Original Poster:

404 posts

68 months

Friday 17th July
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Funk said:
Do you get more than 4% on your Cash ISA? If not, the answer's surely to pay off the debt that's incurring more interest than you're making on the savings.

Or you move it to a S&S ISA, stick it in a global ETF and hope it grows. Bit up-and-downy at the moment though.
I do get a smidge above my mortgage interest rate, the other thing is that if we do want to restart the renovation (unlikely but possible) the money is available to hand rather than having to do all the checks and evidences to borrow more.

Simpo Two said:
If you borrowed the money how is the residue of £30K in an ISA? (or has it been hanging over for two FYs?)
Split between partner and I

megaphone said:
If you can afford the current repayments then use it to reduce the term, take some years off the mortgage, if your mortgage allows. Paying off a mortgage early is the best financial decision you can make.
Is it really? from a peace of mind point of view i agree, but best financial decision? hence my question

megaphone

11,589 posts

278 months

Friday 17th July
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keo said:
megaphone said:
If you can afford the current repayments then use it to reduce the term, take some years off the mortgage, if your mortgage allows. Paying off a mortgage early is the best financial decision you can make.
It isn t always the best financial decision you can make.
For the vast majority of borrowers it is. Getting rid of the biggest debt you're likely to ever have is good financial planning. Unless you're happy to play the game, ie borrowing money to invest at possible risk, then getting mortgage free as early as possible is a great financial decision.

ATG

23,559 posts

299 months

Friday 17th July
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megaphone said:
keo said:
megaphone said:
If you can afford the current repayments then use it to reduce the term, take some years off the mortgage, if your mortgage allows. Paying off a mortgage early is the best financial decision you can make.
It isn t always the best financial decision you can make.
For the vast majority of borrowers it is. Getting rid of the biggest debt you're likely to ever have is good financial planning. Unless you're happy to play the game, ie borrowing money to invest at possible risk, then getting mortgage free as early as possible is a great financial decision.
It's bordering on irresponsible to make blanket statements like that. It may it may not be a good idea. It depends on individual circumstances.

Hustle_

26,389 posts

187 months

Friday 17th July
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It would be impossible to advise OP without knowing how old they are, how long their fix is, how long is left on the mortgage, wider financial circumstances etc.

Personally I borrowed what will probably be a surplus at remortgage. That money is now in a flexible cash variable ISA currently paying 4.6%. The added liquidity also allowed me to lock away my emergency fund into a 5-year fix at 4.5% which matures a couple of months before my fix ends. My mortgage is fixed at 3.97% so although wouldn't have done all of this purely for the fun of it, it is nice that this added liquidity shouldn't cost me money over the fix period.

I do invest in a Stocks & Shares ISA but I use my income for that. The money I have borrowed from the house I am much happier keeping it safe in cash. The reason for that is, when my fix ends in five years, I might want to put a lump back in to hit a particular LTV threshold. If the money is in a lossmaking investment I'm not going to be able to do that. If it is in an investment which has been very successful I am also not going to want to do that.

megaphone

11,589 posts

278 months

Friday 17th July
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ATG said:
megaphone said:
keo said:
megaphone said:
If you can afford the current repayments then use it to reduce the term, take some years off the mortgage, if your mortgage allows. Paying off a mortgage early is the best financial decision you can make.
It isn t always the best financial decision you can make.
For the vast majority of borrowers it is. Getting rid of the biggest debt you're likely to ever have is good financial planning. Unless you're happy to play the game, ie borrowing money to invest at possible risk, then getting mortgage free as early as possible is a great financial decision.
It's bordering on irresponsible to make blanket statements like that. It may it may not be a good idea. It depends on individual circumstances.
Of course it depends on individual circumstances, but for the majority of mortgage borrowers, paying it off as early as possible is great financial planning.

Beetnik

574 posts

211 months

Friday 17th July
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megaphone said:
Of course it depends on individual circumstances, but for the majority of mortgage borrowers, paying it off as early as possible is great financial planning.
may be the conventional wisdom but the average UK mortgage rate over the last 20 years has been ~4.5/5.5% whereas global markets have returned ~9.3% annualised.

Sport_Turismo_GTS

4,230 posts

56 months

Friday 17th July
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Beetnik said:
may be the conventional wisdom but the average UK mortgage rate over the last 20 years has been ~4.5/5.5% whereas global markets have returned ~9.3% annualised.
Past performance is no guide to the future…

InitialDave

14,933 posts

146 months

Friday 17th July
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Sport_Turismo_GTS said:
Past performance is no guide to the future
I disagree.

I was a fking idiot 20 years ago, and I still am.

Wacky Racer

41,144 posts

274 months

Friday 17th July
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Sport_Turismo_GTS said:
Beetnik said:
may be the conventional wisdom but the average UK mortgage rate over the last 20 years has been ~4.5/5.5% whereas global markets have returned ~9.3% annualised.
Past performance is no guide to the future
Difficult one, but personally I would always opt for paying off the mortgage.

I'm boring, and don't like taking risks,

mike9009

10,572 posts

270 months

Saturday 18th July
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With the global stock market being at almost a high, personally putting 30k into it, would be too high a risk.

So, I would either put it all back in the mortgage account or depending on pension position, age and income tax rate, start drip feeding it monthly into my pension. (Reduces risk if there is a stock market fall). Tax relief and compounding will see you in a much better position later. I am early 50s though.

Or take a balanced approach, 10k in S&S ISA, 10k off the mortgage and 10k drip fed into pension. This used to be my strategy with any surplus monthly income - the S&S ISA would then fund more 'fun' stuff.