RE: Latest Smart
Sunday 19th July

Latest Smart #2 EV nears production

As the electric city car continues to grow in popularity, Smart readies its latest EV


In a way, it’s easy to feel a bit sorry for Smart’s predicament. See it first made an electric city car, the ForTwo Electric Drive, as far back as 2009. Back when nobody really bought into the idea and were more enthusiastic (easy to understand why) about Brabus Smarts. Or Twingo 133s. Or Swift Sports. Or Abarth 500s. You get the idea. 

There was no faulting the dedication, with the third gen ForTwo going EV only for five years from 2019, but you certainly wouldn’t be alone in hearing that fact for the first time. With that early foray having faltered, Geely-era Smart has been chasing sales of larger EVs from £30k-plus, all with their slightly odd hashtag names. Only now the electric city car is all the rage, or certainly it is judging by the amount that have been launched, from Twingo to Super N and Grande Panda to Inster. At around £20,000 and 200 miles of range, those after a new urban runaround are spoilt for choice right now.

It’s an environment ideally suited to the return of a properly titchy electric Smart, which will be called the #2. It was confirmed last year with a set of teaser pics that suggested this particular apple wasn’t going to fall far from the tree. These latest testing images have confirmed the fact; even in camo, even as an all new model, your next door neighbour with a T-Roc would be able to identify this as a Smart car. The dimensions, proportions, and light signatures all point only one way. If leaning into 90s heritage is good enough for the Twingo, then it’s more than good enough for Smart…

There’s nothing announced with this fresh batch of testing pics that will really come as a surprise, the focus understandably on making it capable enough to deal with any kind of road at any time. What’s more interesting is a focus on creating a ‘compact vehicle [that] can deliver an elevated, serene cabin experience.’ So there’s been a big focus on getting NVH down, tyre testing to get the best refinement and range compromise, plus plenty of impact tests to ensure it can shrug off the worst our urban environments can throw at it. Again, nothing unheard of as far as car development goes, but perhaps suggesting that the Smart will be a more mature small EV than the friskier alternatives like the Honda and Renault. 

Smart suggests that the #2 is ‘highly anticipated by urban drivers across Europe’, who will get to see the finished item for the first time at the Paris show. By which time there’ll be another half a dozen alternatives, probably. And if existing electric Smarts had passed you by as well, what a time to be reminded: this 2024 car has fewer than 2,000 miles, and is £12k


 

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dukeboy749r

Original Poster:

3,546 posts

237 months

Yesterday (11:20)
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In the UK, whilst ostensibly a good idea, I doubt the 'at home' charging issue woud be a major blocker for success.

i.e. great for avoiding the tube/bus networks, normally very close to, if not right outside your house, however, live in one of a number of London boroughs where houses butt up to the pavement and you suddenly have the choice of running a charging lead out of a window and across a pavement or you are looking for somewhere else to charge.

I cannot see how we enable an EV future where many UK cities have a similar set of challenges for residents.

Every day a journey

2,971 posts

65 months

Yesterday (11:30)
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If you're in for this sort of thing the Citroen Ami makes far more sense and is a lot cheaper than this will be.

Sure, it's a roller skate but so is this Smart.

Turbobanana

8,223 posts

228 months

Yesterday (12:40)
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Biggest problem, in the English-speaking world at least, might be that it's called "Number Two".

Probably just a flash in the pan.

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,680 posts

125 months

Yesterday (12:55)
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dukeboy749r said:
In the UK, whilst ostensibly a good idea, I doubt the 'at home' charging issue woud be a major blocker for success.

i.e. great for avoiding the tube/bus networks, normally very close to, if not right outside your house, however, live in one of a number of London boroughs where houses butt up to the pavement and you suddenly have the choice of running a charging lead out of a window and across a pavement or you are looking for somewhere else to charge.

I cannot see how we enable an EV future where many UK cities have a similar set of challenges for residents.
I think it varies from borough to borough but many do not allow charging from house to roadside

Truckosaurus

13,142 posts

311 months

Yesterday (12:58)
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Every day a journey said:
If you're in for this sort of thing the Citroen Ami makes far more sense and is a lot cheaper than this will be.

Sure, it's a roller skate but so is this Smart.
I'm never convinced that the Ami or a two seater Smart have any benefit over a small 4 seater like the Dacia Spring (which is also significantly cheaper than the Smart) which seems a 'proper' motorcar and still can park pretty much anywhere.

ex-devonpaul

1,705 posts

164 months

Yesterday (13:13)
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Great colour scheme.

I wonder if they will keep it?

ajprice

32,918 posts

223 months

Yesterday (13:17)
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Every day a journey said:
If you're in for this sort of thing the Citroen Ami makes far more sense and is a lot cheaper than this will be.

Sure, it's a roller skate but so is this Smart.
17 years ago now, I was in my Smart, and was rear ended by a Mercedes ML on an A road while I was stopped and waiting to turn off. I was in hospital, knocked out for a day or so, nothing broken, a cut on the back of my head from something, still not sure what, a workmate with me in the car got out and she called an ambulance etc. It's small, but it's a proper, sturdy, well built car. An Ami technically isn't a car and would never be on an A road anyway, but even on a 20-30 mph road, I wouldn't want to be in one and be hit by anything. The only reason I wouldn't have a newer EV Smart now is that I live in a flat and park on the road, and as it says in the article, home charging isn't an option.

theicemario

1,526 posts

102 months

Yesterday (13:19)
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A Smart car that actually looks like a Smart car. Impressive.

Clivey

5,657 posts

231 months

Yesterday (16:07)
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ajprice said:
17 years ago now, I was in my Smart, and was rear ended by a Mercedes ML on an A road while I was stopped and waiting to turn off. I was in hospital, knocked out for a day or so, nothing broken, a cut on the back of my head from something, still not sure what, a workmate with me in the car got out and she called an ambulance etc. It's small, but it's a proper, sturdy, well built car. An Ami technically isn't a car and would never be on an A road anyway, but even on a 20-30 mph road, I wouldn't want to be in one and be hit by anything. The only reason I wouldn't have a newer EV Smart now is that I live in a flat and park on the road, and as it says in the article, home charging isn't an option.
Unfortunately the laws of physics dictate that despite a Smart's passenger cell being impressively strong, you would be safer still (all else being equal) if it had bigger crumple zones to absorb the forces being delivered into that cell and into the occupants.

I know this clip and the cars in it are very old now but the same still applies:


sparta6

5,229 posts

127 months

Yesterday (16:19)
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theicemario said:
A Smart car that actually looks like a Smart car. Impressive.
Agree. Well done Smart. clap

SpeckledJim

33,386 posts

280 months

Yesterday (16:25)
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dukeboy749r said:
In the UK, whilst ostensibly a good idea, I doubt the 'at home' charging issue woud be a major blocker for success.

i.e. great for avoiding the tube/bus networks, normally very close to, if not right outside your house, however, live in one of a number of London boroughs where houses butt up to the pavement and you suddenly have the choice of running a charging lead out of a window and across a pavement or you are looking for somewhere else to charge.

I cannot see how we enable an EV future where many UK cities have a similar set of challenges for residents.
Most people don't drive far at all. And city-dwellers drive less than anyone else. Someone doing 7000 miles a year (which is more than most Smart drivers will be doing) will need to find about 15 hours for charging it.

That's not 15 hours a week. Or 15 hours a month. That's 15 hours a year.


ex-devonpaul

1,705 posts

164 months

Yesterday (17:51)
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SpeckledJim said:
Most people don't drive far at all. And city-dwellers drive less than anyone else. Someone doing 7000 miles a year (which is more than most Smart drivers will be doing) will need to find about 15 hours for charging it.

That's not 15 hours a week. Or 15 hours a month. That's 15 hours a year.
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So by 2nd Jan you're good to go for the whole year?

Excellent

SpeckledJim

33,386 posts

280 months

Yesterday (17:58)
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ex-devonpaul said:
SpeckledJim said:
Most people don't drive far at all. And city-dwellers drive less than anyone else. Someone doing 7000 miles a year (which is more than most Smart drivers will be doing) will need to find about 15 hours for charging it.

That's not 15 hours a week. Or 15 hours a month. That's 15 hours a year.
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So by 2nd Jan you're good to go for the whole year?

Excellent
You silly sausage.

CapScarlet

78 posts

174 months

Yesterday (19:38)
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Every day a journey said:
If you're in for this sort of thing the Citroen Ami makes far more sense and is a lot cheaper than this will be.

Sure, it's a roller skate but so is this Smart.
The Citroen has a tiny battery (5.5 kwh) and a top speed of 28 mph so it absolutely does not make sense

edoverheels

592 posts

132 months

Yesterday (21:24)
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SpeckledJim said:
Most people don't drive far at all. And city-dwellers drive less than anyone else. Someone doing 7000 miles a year (which is more than most Smart drivers will be doing) will need to find about 15 hours for charging it.

That's not 15 hours a week. Or 15 hours a month. That's 15 hours a year.
SpeckledJim
What are you talking about?

SpeckledJim

33,386 posts

280 months

Yesterday (21:27)
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edoverheels said:
SpeckledJim said:
Most people don't drive far at all. And city-dwellers drive less than anyone else. Someone doing 7000 miles a year (which is more than most Smart drivers will be doing) will need to find about 15 hours for charging it.

That's not 15 hours a week. Or 15 hours a month. That's 15 hours a year.
SpeckledJim
What are you talking about?
7000 miles is about 50 ‘tanks’ between 10-80%, taking 20 minutes each on a fast charger. Circa 15 hours a year.

edoverheels

592 posts

132 months

Yesterday (21:32)
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I suppose that you could argue that at 7000 miles a year at 5 miles per kWh and them charge at 100 gets you there?

Our posts crossed.

PSB1967

467 posts

183 months

Oxford City has invested in electric busses. Now they need to force commuters to use them so have instigated congestion gates across the city having changed tack from clean air zones when they realised how many EV's existed. Regardless how clean a car is when driving it, Oxford City have found a way to demonise it and their private drivers. (10 year old ICE Ubers seem OK though.)

Should this attitude spread (and it will) it won't matter how small, clean and city friendly cars become. Cities across the UK will find a way of labelling them the problem and further taxing or restricting their use.

So cars like this, while actually being a credible answer to city mobility especially when the weather is poor, might find there USP diminished.

josh00mac

425 posts

135 months

I remember the doc about the design process for the smart car - worth a watch. One part of the vision was that it would always park nose in to the kerb. Never materialised.

si-jar

7 posts

233 months

By far the best city car is the Toyota IQ,However it’s not electric, if only it was,Toyota would make a fortune out of this gem of a car as the platform is far superior to any other small car currently on the road.