High Street Clean-Up: Crackdown on Vape Shops, Betting Shops
Discussion
BBC News - Councils to get more powers to stop vape and betting shops, PM announces - BBC News
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg90el9236o
The government plans to make new vape shops apply for planning permission and give councils greater powers to block betting and gaming premises.
It also wants tougher closure powers for shops involved in illegal tobacco sales, amid concerns about organised crime, illegal working and money laundering on UK high streets.
One issue that seems largely skirted around is the number of these businesses that appear to be linked to illegal working, questionable ownership arrangements and organised criminal networks.
The issue shouldn’t be someone’s nationality or background, but whether businesses are legitimate, properly registered, paying tax and employing people legally. That side of the problem probably needs just as much attention as the planning rules themselves.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg90el9236o
The government plans to make new vape shops apply for planning permission and give councils greater powers to block betting and gaming premises.
It also wants tougher closure powers for shops involved in illegal tobacco sales, amid concerns about organised crime, illegal working and money laundering on UK high streets.
One issue that seems largely skirted around is the number of these businesses that appear to be linked to illegal working, questionable ownership arrangements and organised criminal networks.
The issue shouldn’t be someone’s nationality or background, but whether businesses are legitimate, properly registered, paying tax and employing people legally. That side of the problem probably needs just as much attention as the planning rules themselves.
Anyone know what the definition of a “vape shop” is?
Getting rid of vape shops etc is not going to solve the issues in the High Street, nor indeed are other suggestions in the news report.
The issues in the High Street are caused in part by the growth of supermarkets, retail warehouses, out of town shopping centres, and development of new in town retail space. The fact new retail space has been built doesn’t mean that we have more money to spend in shops. Therefore the existing money just gets spread more thinly. If you develop new retail space you need to remove existing space.
At the same time we have the growth of internet shopping and everyone wanting to pay lowest price. High Street stores cannot compete with online prices. It’s not just rates it’s rent, staffing, power, bulk buying etc.
If we as consumers want a High Street we have to support it. For example a town of 25,000 people. If each of them spent an extra pound a week in a local independent store those stores would gain £1.3million in turnover. That would benefit the High Street more than any government proposal!
Getting rid of vape shops etc is not going to solve the issues in the High Street, nor indeed are other suggestions in the news report.
The issues in the High Street are caused in part by the growth of supermarkets, retail warehouses, out of town shopping centres, and development of new in town retail space. The fact new retail space has been built doesn’t mean that we have more money to spend in shops. Therefore the existing money just gets spread more thinly. If you develop new retail space you need to remove existing space.
At the same time we have the growth of internet shopping and everyone wanting to pay lowest price. High Street stores cannot compete with online prices. It’s not just rates it’s rent, staffing, power, bulk buying etc.
If we as consumers want a High Street we have to support it. For example a town of 25,000 people. If each of them spent an extra pound a week in a local independent store those stores would gain £1.3million in turnover. That would benefit the High Street more than any government proposal!
Chrisgr31 said:
Anyone know what the definition of a vape shop is?
Getting rid of vape shops etc is not going to solve the issues in the High Street, nor indeed are other suggestions in the news report.
The issues in the High Street are caused in part by the growth of supermarkets, retail warehouses, out of town shopping centres, and development of new in town retail space. The fact new retail space has been built doesn t mean that we have more money to spend in shops. Therefore the existing money just gets spread more thinly. If you develop new retail space you need to remove existing space.
At the same time we have the growth of internet shopping and everyone wanting to pay lowest price. High Street stores cannot compete with online prices. It s not just rates it s rent, staffing, power, bulk buying etc.
If we as consumers want a High Street we have to support it. For example a town of 25,000 people. If each of them spent an extra pound a week in a local independent store those stores would gain £1.3million in turnover. That would benefit the High Street more than any government proposal!
£1.3 million in turnover is at best a few hundred £k in gross profit, a handful of full time jobs equivalent.Getting rid of vape shops etc is not going to solve the issues in the High Street, nor indeed are other suggestions in the news report.
The issues in the High Street are caused in part by the growth of supermarkets, retail warehouses, out of town shopping centres, and development of new in town retail space. The fact new retail space has been built doesn t mean that we have more money to spend in shops. Therefore the existing money just gets spread more thinly. If you develop new retail space you need to remove existing space.
At the same time we have the growth of internet shopping and everyone wanting to pay lowest price. High Street stores cannot compete with online prices. It s not just rates it s rent, staffing, power, bulk buying etc.
If we as consumers want a High Street we have to support it. For example a town of 25,000 people. If each of them spent an extra pound a week in a local independent store those stores would gain £1.3million in turnover. That would benefit the High Street more than any government proposal!
High Streets are mostly obsolete. accept that, clear out the dross and have fewer high streets.
The irony is, the scrotes who use vape shops and the like probably support other local shops.
vikingaero said:
One of our shops is let as a kebab shop. It is the only commercial property out of 38 where the lessee changes every year. There isn't much we can do to refuse as the new lessee pays the legal costs, passes credit checks and pays the deposit.
It's tax evasion.With Just eat/Deliveroo/Uber Eats HMRC's investigation into takeaways is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Changing the Lessee (business owner) every year means that the "Owner" of the business has long since departed before the accounts need to be filed and long long before any tax would have to be paid.
So, when HMRC turn up to review the books and ask about last year's turnover the Owner says "Nowt to do with me, I took over on 1st April".
Countdown said:
vikingaero said:
One of our shops is let as a kebab shop. It is the only commercial property out of 38 where the lessee changes every year. There isn't much we can do to refuse as the new lessee pays the legal costs, passes credit checks and pays the deposit.
It's tax evasion.With Just eat/Deliveroo/Uber Eats HMRC's investigation into takeaways is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Changing the Lessee (business owner) every year means that the "Owner" of the business has long since departed before the accounts need to be filed and long long before any tax would have to be paid.
So, when HMRC turn up to review the books and ask about last year's turnover the Owner says "Nowt to do with me, I took over on 1st April".
Chrisgr31 said:
Anyone know what the definition of a vape shop is?
Getting rid of vape shops etc is not going to solve the issues in the High Street, nor indeed are other suggestions in the news report.
The issues in the High Street are caused in part by the growth of supermarkets, retail warehouses, out of town shopping centres, and development of new in town retail space. The fact new retail space has been built doesn t mean that we have more money to spend in shops. Therefore the existing money just gets spread more thinly. If you develop new retail space you need to remove existing space.
At the same time we have the growth of internet shopping and everyone wanting to pay lowest price. High Street stores cannot compete with online prices. It s not just rates it s rent, staffing, power, bulk buying etc.
If we as consumers want a High Street we have to support it. For example a town of 25,000 people. If each of them spent an extra pound a week in a local independent store those stores would gain £1.3million in turnover. That would benefit the High Street more than any government proposal!
This issue with vape shops, turkish barbers and the like isn't that they are crappy shops that bring down the high street, it's that they are fronts for organised crime to launder drug money.Getting rid of vape shops etc is not going to solve the issues in the High Street, nor indeed are other suggestions in the news report.
The issues in the High Street are caused in part by the growth of supermarkets, retail warehouses, out of town shopping centres, and development of new in town retail space. The fact new retail space has been built doesn t mean that we have more money to spend in shops. Therefore the existing money just gets spread more thinly. If you develop new retail space you need to remove existing space.
At the same time we have the growth of internet shopping and everyone wanting to pay lowest price. High Street stores cannot compete with online prices. It s not just rates it s rent, staffing, power, bulk buying etc.
If we as consumers want a High Street we have to support it. For example a town of 25,000 people. If each of them spent an extra pound a week in a local independent store those stores would gain £1.3million in turnover. That would benefit the High Street more than any government proposal!
Labour are effectively saying that laundering the proceeds of crime is fine as long as you get planning permission.
Ridiculous.
wiggy001 said:
Chrisgr31 said:
Anyone know what the definition of a vape shop is?
Getting rid of vape shops etc is not going to solve the issues in the High Street, nor indeed are other suggestions in the news report.
The issues in the High Street are caused in part by the growth of supermarkets, retail warehouses, out of town shopping centres, and development of new in town retail space. The fact new retail space has been built doesn t mean that we have more money to spend in shops. Therefore the existing money just gets spread more thinly. If you develop new retail space you need to remove existing space.
At the same time we have the growth of internet shopping and everyone wanting to pay lowest price. High Street stores cannot compete with online prices. It s not just rates it s rent, staffing, power, bulk buying etc.
If we as consumers want a High Street we have to support it. For example a town of 25,000 people. If each of them spent an extra pound a week in a local independent store those stores would gain £1.3million in turnover. That would benefit the High Street more than any government proposal!
This issue with vape shops, turkish barbers and the like isn't that they are crappy shops that bring down the high street, it's that they are fronts for organised crime to launder drug money.Getting rid of vape shops etc is not going to solve the issues in the High Street, nor indeed are other suggestions in the news report.
The issues in the High Street are caused in part by the growth of supermarkets, retail warehouses, out of town shopping centres, and development of new in town retail space. The fact new retail space has been built doesn t mean that we have more money to spend in shops. Therefore the existing money just gets spread more thinly. If you develop new retail space you need to remove existing space.
At the same time we have the growth of internet shopping and everyone wanting to pay lowest price. High Street stores cannot compete with online prices. It s not just rates it s rent, staffing, power, bulk buying etc.
If we as consumers want a High Street we have to support it. For example a town of 25,000 people. If each of them spent an extra pound a week in a local independent store those stores would gain £1.3million in turnover. That would benefit the High Street more than any government proposal!
Labour are effectively saying that laundering the proceeds of crime is fine as long as you get planning permission.
Ridiculous.
They seem to soak up a lot of the illegal immigration characters too.
But of course you're not allowed to suggest that as the shops sell out of tin foil very quickly
Edited by Dog Biscuit on Tuesday 11th August 12:11
I live on a village of about 5000.
There are 5 hairdressers. One seems genuine, and was closed to be replaced by another hairdressers as they put the rent up and evicted the barbers that was there,guess the nationality of the new hairdressers, sorry but it becomes obvious.
Tell me what is wrong with that picture. We have a huge salon on a village, no need at all, a cover for laundering, so obviously as it never has anyone in it abd most cost thousands a month to rent.
Its been going on for decades with nail bars, restaurants, vape shops, takeaways, corner shops. It's rife
There are 5 hairdressers. One seems genuine, and was closed to be replaced by another hairdressers as they put the rent up and evicted the barbers that was there,guess the nationality of the new hairdressers, sorry but it becomes obvious.
Tell me what is wrong with that picture. We have a huge salon on a village, no need at all, a cover for laundering, so obviously as it never has anyone in it abd most cost thousands a month to rent.
Its been going on for decades with nail bars, restaurants, vape shops, takeaways, corner shops. It's rife
2 of my businesses in the US require licenses (personal and company), a bond to be paid to the city, and various other bits of paperwork that requires filing with the city / municipality and to a lesser extent the states I work in.
It's a minor pain in the arse (largely because the US rarely does anything efficiently and adores bureaucracy), and a small fee every time, but it firmly puts the right person on the hook should the need arise later.
I don't understand why the UK doesn't have similar. It doesn't eradicate fly by night operations, but it makes them easier to enforce against.
It's a minor pain in the arse (largely because the US rarely does anything efficiently and adores bureaucracy), and a small fee every time, but it firmly puts the right person on the hook should the need arise later.
I don't understand why the UK doesn't have similar. It doesn't eradicate fly by night operations, but it makes them easier to enforce against.
wiggy001 said:
How hard can it be for an enforcement team made up of HMRC and Police to go town by town and investigate every single shop of this type? If they keep the proceeds of crime it should be self funding.
But racist to some people.
What enforcement team would that be then ? But racist to some people.
Where are the Police officers/Customs officers coming from?
Passing laws that have no one to enforce them seems to be the way forward
If the Gov are worried about proceeds of crime, money laundering and similiar they are better off starting with tightening laws regarding ownership and transparency in the crown dependency of the British Virgin Islands and London property market.
Thats where the propper billions are laundered in the UK by the people with white skin in suits.
Kebab shops, vapes, barbers are scraps in comparison...
The BVI might do somthing little in a few years time.....otherwise the washing machine keeps turning....
Thats where the propper billions are laundered in the UK by the people with white skin in suits.
Kebab shops, vapes, barbers are scraps in comparison...
The BVI might do somthing little in a few years time.....otherwise the washing machine keeps turning....
TwistingMyMelon said:
If the Gov are worried about proceeds of crime, money laundering and similiar they are better off starting with tightening laws regarding ownership and transparency in the crown dependency of the British Virgin Islands and London property market.
Thats where the propper billions are laundered in the UK by the people with white skin in suits.
Kebab shops, vapes, barbers are scraps in comparison...
The BVI might do somthing little in a few years time.....otherwise the washing machine keeps turning....
Yeah but this is what the electorate are bothered about.Thats where the propper billions are laundered in the UK by the people with white skin in suits.
Kebab shops, vapes, barbers are scraps in comparison...
The BVI might do somthing little in a few years time.....otherwise the washing machine keeps turning....
Scruffy s
thole shops selling vapes and laundry Add in the associated flys
ts that are drawn to the stinking stholes I'm lucky enough to live in a rural area but say travelling out of the bubble it's like a different country on so many levels.
Edited by Dog Biscuit on Tuesday 11th August 12:32
wiggy001 said:
This issue with vape shops, turkish barbers and the like isn't that they are crappy shops that bring down the high street, it's that they are fronts for organised crime to launder drug money.
Labour are effectively saying that laundering the proceeds of crime is fine as long as you get planning permission.
Ridiculous.
You do realise that planning permission can be turned down? At the moment they don't need planning permission so it's hard to stop them opening, at least now they have to ask, and can be turned down.Labour are effectively saying that laundering the proceeds of crime is fine as long as you get planning permission.
Ridiculous.
eccles said:
wiggy001 said:
This issue with vape shops, turkish barbers and the like isn't that they are crappy shops that bring down the high street, it's that they are fronts for organised crime to launder drug money.
Labour are effectively saying that laundering the proceeds of crime is fine as long as you get planning permission.
Ridiculous.
You do realise that planning permission can be turned down? At the moment they don't need planning permission so it's hard to stop them opening, at least now they have to ask, and can be turned down.Labour are effectively saying that laundering the proceeds of crime is fine as long as you get planning permission.
Ridiculous.
Unless the planning application asks if they are a front for organised crime and the applicant stupidly tells the truth...
bergclimber34 said:
I live on a village of about 5000.
There are 5 hairdressers. One seems genuine, and was closed to be replaced by another hairdressers as they put the rent up and evicted the barbers that was there,guess the nationality of the new hairdressers, sorry but it becomes obvious.
Tell me what is wrong with that picture. We have a huge salon on a village, no need at all, a cover for laundering, so obviously as it never has anyone in it abd most cost thousands a month to rent.
Its been going on for decades with nail bars, restaurants, vape shops, takeaways, corner shops. It's rife
How much money are the residents of your village spending on drugs to necessitate that many barber shops to launder the proceeds?There are 5 hairdressers. One seems genuine, and was closed to be replaced by another hairdressers as they put the rent up and evicted the barbers that was there,guess the nationality of the new hairdressers, sorry but it becomes obvious.
Tell me what is wrong with that picture. We have a huge salon on a village, no need at all, a cover for laundering, so obviously as it never has anyone in it abd most cost thousands a month to rent.
Its been going on for decades with nail bars, restaurants, vape shops, takeaways, corner shops. It's rife
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