RE: Gordon Murray goes back to future with new S1
RE: Gordon Murray goes back to future with new S1
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Gordon Murray goes back to future with new S1

The 'touring-focused evolution' of the S1 LM has been unveiled at Pebble Beach. Jealous?


Given the reaction to last year’s S1 LM, which ranked somewhere between delirium and disbelief from all who saw it, Gordon Murray Automotive was hardly likely to leave it there. You’ll remember only five were ever commissioned, and one was sold for 20 million bucks. Demand and excitement were off the scale, even at an event crammed with exotics.

So, of course, there’s another S1 LM - it would be daft not to, right? Only now it’s just the S1, and probably it looks even more like the McLaren than the LM did, with 64 examples due to be built - or the same number as there were F1s. Still, if there’s a supercar from your back catalogue to redo, there aren’t any better. 

The spec, as expected, is mouthwatering. The 4.2-litre V12, derived from the S1 LM and larger than used in the T.50, makes ‘up to 690hp’ and revs to 12,100rpm. With a focus on usability (at least compared to the LM), 81 per cent of the 369lb ft peak is from ‘as low as’ 2,500rpm, but certainly you’re still going to be busy on the six-speed manual to get the best from it.

GMA says the cable routing is straighter for this S1 than previous creations, for a ‘rifle-bolt’ - their words, not ours - shift feel ‘that remains central to the car’s physical connection.’ No artificial manuals here, just three pedals, half a dozen ratios (including a long sixth for cruising) and thousands of V12 revolutions - perfect. 

Outright performance hasn’t been quoted yet, though the aim for this car is to undercut, with its carbon panels and lightweight wheels, a T.50 (which is a tonne dry); with almost 700hp available, it’s going to be more than fast enough.

Compared to the LM, the S1 understandably gets a less racy look, going without the rear wing and featuring larger headlights that aim to evoke the F1 concept seen at the 1992 Monaco GP (and which was slightly different to the final production car). Chassis-wise, the ride height is lifted a centimetre, the dampers reworked for ‘greater compliance’, and there are levels of assistance available for the power steering. Much of the LM’s underpinnings, however, are carried over, with identical width, track, tyres and suspension architecture. Nobody will want for driving sensation, that seems certain.

Where the S1 is obviously different from the LM is inside, with a focus on road-going habitability. That was always the F1 ethos - despite the name, it was always a road car first and foremost - so it shouldn’t be a surprise to see Gordon Murray continue on that path 30-odd years later. So there’s a proper sound system, rear-view camera, ‘luxurious cabin trim’, proper windows instead of Lexan sliders and wider opening doors. There will be no excuse not to drive it as much as possible, basically. 

The 64 S1s will go all over the world, each individually numbered and with limitless spec possibilities. So don’t go getting a black one. As expected, the price hasn’t been shared, but we’re surely talking many millions given the precedent set by the LM (and F1 values).

The man himself added: “With the S1, we wanted to show how much beauty and purity there is in this design when the more extreme aerodynamic elements of the S1 LM are stripped away. It has the same intensity, response, and engineering integrity, but has been tuned for a different purpose. This is a car you could drive along the coast from Los Angeles to Monterey in real comfort, still enjoying every gearshift, every corner, and every note of the V12 when the road opens up. It is exclusive, analogue, and deeply driver-focused, but also more elegant, more refined, and more usable over distance.” Car of the show? You won’t find us disagreeing… 


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leglessAlex

Original Poster:

7,232 posts

169 months

Yesterday (20:22)
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Comments on this one are gonna be fun hehe

It'll be amazing, just like the F1 is, but I suspect it'll be overshadowed by it's design.

Julian Thompson

2,701 posts

266 months

Yesterday (20:23)
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At some point here though he’s basically admitting the F1 was indeed the ultimate.

DSC OFF

211 posts

89 months

Yesterday (20:24)
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How are they able to do this without arousing the attention of the lawyers in Woking? Nevertheless, wowsers

dukeboy749r

3,687 posts

238 months

Yesterday (20:35)
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Of all of the new sports (hyper?) car releases today, I’m still most struck by the McClaren.

Hopefully, it will be vaguely attainable by those that want it, not confined to 15 people on an invite-only list

RumbleOfThunder

3,720 posts

231 months

Yesterday (20:36)
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Julian Thompson said:
At some point here though he s basically admitting the F1 was indeed the ultimate.
Yeah well the F1 is his baby, and it's one of the most beautiful cars ever made, so I don't blame him for expanding upon it.

Phobos50

182 posts

62 months

Yesterday (20:38)
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There will be the usual naysayers no doubt, but i think that is stunning. Perfect. Although interior colour doesn't do it for me.

GM heavily interracts with his customers. He is obviously giving them what they want. S1 LM sold recently is the most expensive new car ever sold.

Edited by Phobos50 on Friday 14th August 20:45

Julian Thompson

2,701 posts

266 months

Yesterday (20:39)
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RumbleOfThunder said:
Julian Thompson said:
At some point here though he s basically admitting the F1 was indeed the ultimate.
Yeah well the F1 is his baby, and it's one of the most beautiful cars ever made, so I don't blame him for expanding upon it.
I don’t. But the T50 looks…. good… but… not an F1.

And then this - well - it looks right from every angle like the F1.

So all I’m saying is. The best pen work was done in 1995….

thegreenhell

23,372 posts

247 months

Yesterday (20:40)
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RumbleOfThunder said:
Julian Thompson said:
At some point here though he s basically admitting the F1 was indeed the ultimate.
Yeah well the F1 is his baby, and it's one of the most beautiful cars ever made, so I don't blame him for expanding upon it.
But the bit he keeps copying is the bit designed by Peter Stevens.

Julian Thompson

2,701 posts

266 months

Yesterday (20:44)
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thegreenhell said:
RumbleOfThunder said:
Julian Thompson said:
At some point here though he s basically admitting the F1 was indeed the ultimate.
Yeah well the F1 is his baby, and it's one of the most beautiful cars ever made, so I don't blame him for expanding upon it.
But the bit he keeps copying is the bit designed by Peter Stevens.
Ouch. Didn’t know that. Please can you explain?

T_S_M

1,316 posts

211 months

Yesterday (20:46)
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I get it, I do, and that looks absolutely fabulous.

But at what point does it become a very expensive and very well engineered kit car? That s just a replica F1 with some LED s.

ETA: Next year it’s an S1GT with a slightly longer rear I assume?

Edited by T_S_M on Friday 14th August 21:34

E-numbers

352 posts

31 months

Yesterday (20:48)
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thegreenhell said:
But the bit he keeps copying is the bit designed by Peter Stevens.
Accurate. It’s a shame he can’t find the generosity to recognise the work Peter Stevens did. Ever. At all.

Julian Thompson

2,701 posts

266 months

Yesterday (20:50)
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Whilst I wait for the Peter Stevens bit - I recall Steve Nichols seeming a little, err, “pointy” about the mp4/4 being a fair bit to do with him ?

Big_Steve

53 posts

78 months

Yesterday (20:52)
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Only makes cars for himself & his elderly mates.
I hope he gets sued.

je777

930 posts

132 months

Yesterday (20:57)
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I think this is much better looking than the T50 because the T50 is not attractive. But I'm not a fan of retro-design. I'd rather something new.

And is this basically a nicked design? If it is, unless the original designer is being paid, it's pretty shameful.

I wonder if T50 buyers are pissed off...


Edited by je777 on Friday 14th August 21:01

RumbleOfThunder

3,720 posts

231 months

Yesterday (20:58)
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E-numbers said:
thegreenhell said:
But the bit he keeps copying is the bit designed by Peter Stevens.
Accurate. It s a shame he can t find the generosity to recognise the work Peter Stevens did. Ever. At all.
Extremely inaccurate. Admit you're talking bks so I don't have to show the reciepts.

edoverheels

600 posts

133 months

Yesterday (21:00)
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With this and the McLaren we have an embarrassment of riches today.
Just as well I don’t have unspent millions burning a hole in my pocket or I wouldn’t be able to sleep deciding between the two.

edoverheels

600 posts

133 months

Yesterday (21:05)
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Actually it would be the McLaren. Much as the F1 is beautiful and perfectly proportioned I don’t think that the three seat central driving is position is realistic.
Ok for a track car but if you want to use it (as apparently this version is meant for) on the road then going for a long weekend or road trip with your beloved (wife or ?) will be no good at all with them sat behind you.
Who ever goes anywhere with three people?

horriblestains

3 posts

3 months

Yesterday (21:07)
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Still going hard on making "drivers cars" that'll rarely be driven.

I am a massive fan of Gordon and all he's achieved. He's clearly a charismatic genius with something genuinely in common with all of us. It's a shame he's trapped in a world where he can only flex his muscles with a customer base of the super rich. Some won't care and that's fine, but imagine a world where Toyota or Ford were like "this is our new 70k sports car, and guess who was the project lead..."

It's a pipe dream and probably has more barriers between it and reality than I can imagine, but so does the lovely thing in these photos if you're a primary school teacher, which I am 😂

je777

930 posts

132 months

Yesterday (21:08)
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edoverheels said:
Actually it would be the McLaren. Much as the F1 is beautiful and perfectly proportioned I don t think that the three seat central driving is position is realistic.
Ok for a track car but if you want to use it (as apparently this version is meant for) on the road then going for a long weekend or road trip with your beloved (wife or ?) will be no good at all with them sat behind you.
Who ever goes anywhere with three people?
Surely, these are really cars for one person.
And then, if you want to, very occasionally, you can take passengers.

E-numbers

352 posts

31 months

Yesterday (21:09)
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RumbleOfThunder said:
Extremely inaccurate. Admit you're talking bks so I don't have to show the reciepts.
Please educate me. I can t find a single acknowledgment in the last decade, nor a correction when he s been described as the designer of the F1. Before that, I think they did something together with autocar in 2014? Im happy to learn, assuming that you know better. If you do I guess you could just have explained. Thanks.