Blasphemy laws return?
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Foss62

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1,990 posts

94 months

Sunday 16th August
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On the face of it this seems rather shocking:

https://www.gbnews.com/news/free-speech-row-north-...

It’s been more than a hundred years since the state last prosecuted a blasphemy offence, and the actual legislation was supposed to have been taken down in 2008. There have been many private prosecutions (Mary Whitehouse etc.) but they have generally failed with a fair amount of public ridicule.

The reposted joke wasn’t very funny - there have been many better ones over the years (Dave Allen, Monty Python, Father Ted etc. etc. involved a fair amount of religious humour/satire and bacon sandwiches were a common theme as far as ridiculing religious prohibitions went). But public prosecutions and court cases? What???

I understand that the Free Speech Union, a fairly right wing group are taking this to appeal, but can there really be any politicians on Left or Right who would have supported a prosecution of this sort? The Left in particular spent the second half of the twentieth century fighting against ‘moral authoritarianism’.

Super Sonic

14,256 posts

83 months

Sunday 16th August
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These days you get thrown in jail just for saying you're English.

irc

9,803 posts

165 months

Sunday 16th August
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Foss62 said:
I understand that the Free Speech Union, a fairly right wing group are taking this to appeal, but can there really be any politicians on Left or Right who would have supported a prosecution of this sort? The Left in particular spent the second half of the twentieth century fighting against moral authoritarianism .
Is free speech right wing?


Getragdogleg

10,208 posts

212 months

Sunday 16th August
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irc said:
Foss62 said:
I understand that the Free Speech Union, a fairly right wing group are taking this to appeal, but can there really be any politicians on Left or Right who would have supported a prosecution of this sort? The Left in particular spent the second half of the twentieth century fighting against moral authoritarianism .
Is free speech right wing?
I think it is currently, the trouble is that free speech is used to criticise all the bad mistakes (or conscious policy decisions) that are being made by the current Govt so its not in their interests to allow free speech at the moment.




gregs656

12,353 posts

210 months

Sunday 16th August
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irc said:
Is free speech right wing?
No.

Foss62

Original Poster:

1,990 posts

94 months

Sunday 16th August
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irc said:
Foss62 said:
I understand that the Free Speech Union, a fairly right wing group are taking this to appeal, but can there really be any politicians on Left or Right who would have supported a prosecution of this sort? The Left in particular spent the second half of the twentieth century fighting against moral authoritarianism .
Is free speech right wing?
Not inherently, or exclusively no. But the Free Speech Union is operated by some individuals who are known as right wingers.

bloomen

10,076 posts

188 months

Monday 17th August
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The only three media sources reporting this via Google news -

Gbeebies

Telegraph.

Breitbart.


Hmm...

MCBrowncoat

1,743 posts

175 months

Monday 17th August
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Super Sonic said:
These days you get thrown in jail just for saying you're English.
Thrown in jail?! Actually thrown in a jail, just for saying you're English?!

Jasandjules

72,588 posts

258 months

Monday 17th August
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Foss62 said:
I understand that the Free Speech Union, a fairly right wing group are taking this to appeal .
And here we have it in a nutshell. Nowadays to consider speech free makes you right wing. Although truth be told it has always been so, in the early 1900s a Labour Council tried to stop a Conservative Group holding a meeting and the court said that freedom of speech belongs to all views not just those they agree with.

What a tragic reflection on society with their cancellation culture and "be kind" unless you disagree with them at which point you deserve to die.

gotoPzero

20,698 posts

218 months

Monday 17th August
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Whats amusing to me is that the website reporting this can publish the exact words he posted? I presume because a) "its news" and b) they have some lawyers in expensive suits behind them?


wc98

12,715 posts

169 months

Monday 17th August
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O/T but the GB news website is full of scam ads by the looks of it. I suffer pretty bad tinnitus so clicked on a link supposedly promoting some type of cure, mainly out of curiosity given Doctors have told me there isn't much can be done about it. It actually has deep fake AI promotional films using what appear to be various Doctors and schlebs promoting the stuff. A minute on google will take you to links where the actual Doctors state it's a scam and they know nothing about it.

I know people are all for using a wide range of news sources but i don't think i am going to see any junk like that promoted by traditional msm like the BBC.

smn159

15,974 posts

246 months

Monday 17th August
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MCBrowncoat said:
Super Sonic said:
These days you get thrown in jail just for saying you're English.
Thrown in jail?! Actually thrown in a jail, just for saying you're English?!
When did this come in?

butchstewie

67,472 posts

239 months

Monday 17th August
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I think once you get into stuff about bacon you're into dodgy territory where it's not really what I'd call blasphemy.

Colonel Cupcake

1,419 posts

74 months

Monday 17th August
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butchstewie said:
I think once you get into stuff about bacon you're into dodgy territory where it's not really what I'd call blasphemy.
What would you call it?

ATG

23,729 posts

301 months

Monday 17th August
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Jasandjules said:
Foss62 said:
I understand that the Free Speech Union, a fairly right wing group are taking this to appeal .
And here we have it in a nutshell. Nowadays to consider speech free makes you right wing. Although truth be told it has always been so, in the early 1900s a Labour Council tried to stop a Conservative Group holding a meeting and the court said that freedom of speech belongs to all views not just those they agree with.

What a tragic reflection on society with their cancellation culture and "be kind" unless you disagree with them at which point you deserve to die.
There are a small group of left wingers who would indeed try to "cancel" you for doing anything they disagree with, but they are almost entirely the same bunch of idiot student unionists who have always made fools of themselves. Each generation produces people who behave this way. This is nothing new.

And similarly the are always a bunch of bigoted tts who bleat on that society is curtailing their freedom to express their views. This is complete bks. What they really don't like is that people are judging them on what they say and calling them out as tts. They're being called tts precisely because they have exercised their freedom of speech.

And when anyone's speech starts inciting racial hatred or violence they quite rightly find the courts intervening, regardless of political ideology.

ATG

23,729 posts

301 months

Monday 17th August
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smn159 said:
MCBrowncoat said:
Super Sonic said:
These days you get thrown in jail just for saying you're English.
Thrown in jail?! Actually thrown in a jail, just for saying you're English?!
When did this come in?
Clearly it hasn't.

alangla

6,727 posts

210 months

Monday 17th August
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wc98 said:
O/T but the GB news website is full of scam ads by the looks of it. I suffer pretty bad tinnitus so clicked on a link supposedly promoting some type of cure, mainly out of curiosity given Doctors have told me there isn't much can be done about it. It actually has deep fake AI promotional films using what appear to be various Doctors and schlebs promoting the stuff. A minute on google will take you to links where the actual Doctors state it's a scam and they know nothing about it.

I know people are all for using a wide range of news sources but i don't think i am going to see any junk like that promoted by traditional msm like the BBC.
The international version of the BBC website shows ads. It would be interesting to know if they filter out the junk or just display every ad that Google, or whoever their agency is, feeds into the ad spaces. Their website certainly suggests that they do but being in the UK I don’t know how that works in practice https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/questions/behind-the...

Sheets Tabuer

21,419 posts

244 months

Monday 17th August
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Colonel Cupcake said:
What would you call it?
Being a dick.

WrekinCrew

5,695 posts

179 months

Monday 17th August
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ATG said:
smn159 said:
MCBrowncoat said:
Super Sonic said:
These days you get thrown in jail just for saying you're English.
Thrown in jail?! Actually thrown in a jail, just for saying you're English?!
When did this come in?
Clearly it hasn't.
It's from a Stewart Lee routine I think.

butchstewie

67,472 posts

239 months

Monday 17th August
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Colonel Cupcake said:
butchstewie said:
I think once you get into stuff about bacon you're into dodgy territory where it's not really what I'd call blasphemy.
What would you call it?
Anything from being a dick to blatant racism.

There's nothing "funny" about it.