Cupra Tavascan

[uuf361]

Couldn’t see a recent thread.

Am considering one of these as a replacement for my 2023 Megane eTech

Lightly used ones seem to have shed 40% in 6 months/3k miles (they looked massively overpriced to start with tbh) so are quite tempting

Anyone have one ? (Looking at the VZ2) and rather like the matte bronze paint although I suspect it could be hard to maintain.

[-Cappo-]

I looked at these and liked them a lot. There are however LOTS of reports online about issues with the brakes. Something to do with the transition between the initial regen braking vs the subsequent physical braking being badly executed and leading to a serious lack of confidence in the brakes - or something like that. Worth having a search and reading some reviews.

Edited for auto corrects.

Edited by -Cappo- on Thursday 20th August 09:34

[Bungleaio]

I really like these and I’m very tempted with the Matt bronze ones that are available at the moment too. I test drove one and didn’t have any issues with the brakes.

These are cars that are being off loaded from the press fleet as there is a revised dash due on the latest model year.

[georgeyboy12345]

Field service engineer in at work was talking to me about his he has as a company car today. Has the AWD VZ2 and says he loves it. Said his was 60k list price worth aboit £33k now

[padrc66]

This may, or may not, matter to you but just to be aware, this is actually a chinese market VW, made by JAC group in China and rebadged as a Cupra for the UK. Incidentally, VW did a 'deal' with the EU to get the normal import tariffs on chinese cars lifted for this car so they could sell it in Europe. To me, that doesn't make it worth the £40-60K they ask for them compared to European built alternatives.

[uuf361]

Just seen the new dash which has a display behind the steering g that’s twice as big and a new steering wheel, presumably with buttons nit haptics which I know aren’t for everyone.

Not worried about its origin as my other car (Cyberster) is Chinese too.

[georgeyboy12345]

padrc66 said:

This may, or may not, matter to you but just to be aware, this is actually a chinese market VW, made by JAC group in China and rebadged as a Cupra for the UK. Incidentally, VW did a 'deal' with the EU to get the normal import tariffs on chinese cars lifted for this car so they could sell it in Europe. To me, that doesn't make it worth the £40-60K they ask for them compared to European built alternatives.

This is interesting, I did not know this. Thanks

[TheDrownedApe]

georgeyboy12345 said:

padrc66 said:

This may, or may not, matter to you but just to be aware, this is actually a chinese market VW, made by JAC group in China and rebadged as a Cupra for the UK. Incidentally, VW did a 'deal' with the EU to get the normal import tariffs on chinese cars lifted for this car so they could sell it in Europe. To me, that doesn't make it worth the £40-60K they ask for them compared to European built alternatives.

This is interesting, I did not know this. Thanks

Really? i thought it was VAG MEB platform also used by Ford. can you elaborate?

[samoht]

wiki said:

The Cupra Tavascan is a battery electric compact crossover SUV produced by Volkswagen Anhui, a joint venture between Volkswagen (75%) and Chinese company JAC Group (25%)

The Tavascan is based on the MEB platform designed for electric vehicles of the Volkswagen Group

The Tavascan is marketed as the Volkswagen ID. Unyx in China.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cupra_Tavascan

EU Commission said:

Volkswagen (Anhui) will now be able to export its CUPRA Tavascan model into the EU at or above its proposed minimum import price and will be exempt from the countervailing duties imposed on BEV imports from China.

https://policy.trade.ec.europa.eu/news/commission-...

[padrc66]

Yes it is the MEB platform which is manufactured in many different places, eg:

Audi Q4 - Germany
Audi Q5 - China (SAIC, Shanghai))
Cupra Born - Germany
Cupra Tavascan - China (JAC, Hefei)
Ford Explorer - Germany
Ford Capri - Germany
Skoda Enyaq - Czech Republic
Skoda Elroq - Czech Republic
VW ID3, ID4, ID5 - Germany
VW ID6 - China (SAIC, Shanghai and FAW, Foshan)
VW ID7 - Germany and China (FAW, Foshan)
VW ID Buzz - Germany

I just thought it was interesting that the Tavasacan is just a rebadged Chinese market only VW - I guess they wanted to add a cheaper product to the line-up (cheaper to VW, not the customer, obviously) but there was no space in the European ID lineup for another model so they made it a Cupra - in my experience, cars that are engineered to be Chinese market specific like this are not necessarily great for the European market.

I also find it rather underhand and misleading that VW put pressure on the EU to lift tariffs because VW is "also committed to investing in significant BEV-related projects in the EU with clearly defined milestones, supporting the EU’s industrial strategy and incentivising compliance with EU climate transition goals" - ie a thinly veiled threat to stop producing in Europe, perhaps?

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/368541/cupra-ta...

I spent a lot of time working with Chinese car manufacturers in China (including JAC) and was not exactly impressed by their approach to engineering or business ethics, shall we say.

[uuf361]

Just seen the new dash which has a display behind the steering wheel that’s twice as big and a new steering wheel, presumably with buttons not haptics which I know aren’t for everyone.

Not worried about its origin as my other car (Cyberster) is Chinese too.

[morrisk1]

We test drove the current one (VZ2) a few weeks back and neither of us were impressed. Even at a heavily discounted price, we weren't sold on it. It was snatchy on the brakes (as previously mentioned) and wife struggled to pull away cleanly. I hated the haptic steering wheel buttons and it does need the bigger driver screen. Shame as it's a nice looking car.

I think the new one will be a definite improvement but obvioulsy no real discounts on that currently (not looking anymore, gone for a P4).

[TheDeuce]

My friend just picked o evil with a heavy discount, the top spec one - whatever that's called!

He absolutely loves it and I was quite impressed when I had a look round it.

I would say it's a bit more interesting and unique than typical VAG fodder, so who cares if it's of Chinese origin? If you test drive it and still like it, then that's what really matters.

[Bungleaio]

I decided to go for one and picked it up yesterday. My first venture into ev. I’m impressed so far, Just need to get a charger installed now.

[Ceeejay]

This was going to be my first EV, and after test driving one was about to fist the kumquat on a lease…. But then walked over to the Skoda garage next door, saw an Enyaq, and the styling on that was much nicer… in my opinion…. It felt like the Tavascan is aimed at a younger generation than me in my fifties…

[Legacywr]

Bungleaio said:

I decided to go for one and picked it up yesterday. My first venture into ev. I m impressed so far, Just need to get a charger installed now.

Looks good.

[OldPal]

Wife has one and it’s a great daily, comfy, can fit 2 car seats comfortably and a decent boot. Has a surprising turn of pace in cupra mode too

Definitely agree regarding the braking, so much so that if I know I’ll be slowing down I pop it cupra mode for the extra regen to slow it.

[Dashnine]

padrc66 said:

Yes it is the MEB platform which is manufactured in many different places, eg:

Audi Q4 - Germany
Audi Q5 - China (SAIC, Shanghai))
Cupra Born - Germany
Cupra Tavascan - China (JAC, Hefei)
Ford Explorer - Germany
Ford Capri - Germany
Skoda Enyaq - Czech Republic
Skoda Elroq - Czech Republic
VW ID3, ID4, ID5 - Germany
VW ID6 - China (SAIC, Shanghai and FAW, Foshan)
VW ID7 - Germany and China (FAW, Foshan)
VW ID Buzz - Germany

I just thought it was interesting that the Tavasacan is just a rebadged Chinese market only VW - I guess they wanted to add a cheaper product to the line-up (cheaper to VW, not the customer, obviously) but there was no space in the European ID lineup for another model so they made it a Cupra - in my experience, cars that are engineered to be Chinese market specific like this are not necessarily great for the European market.

I also find it rather underhand and misleading that VW put pressure on the EU to lift tariffs because VW is "also committed to investing in significant BEV-related projects in the EU with clearly defined milestones, supporting the EU s industrial strategy and incentivising compliance with EU climate transition goals" - ie a thinly veiled threat to stop producing in Europe, perhaps?

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/368541/cupra-ta...

I spent a lot of time working with Chinese car manufacturers in China (including JAC) and was not exactly impressed by their approach to engineering or business ethics, shall we say.

I would have thought, as the styling is so obviously Cupra that as (I assume) Cupra have no presence in China it’s sold there as a VW through VW dealers?

[TheDeuce]

padrc66 said:

Yes it is the MEB platform which is manufactured in many different places, eg:

Audi Q4 - Germany
Audi Q5 - China (SAIC, Shanghai))
Cupra Born - Germany
Cupra Tavascan - China (JAC, Hefei)
Ford Explorer - Germany
Ford Capri - Germany
Skoda Enyaq - Czech Republic
Skoda Elroq - Czech Republic
VW ID3, ID4, ID5 - Germany
VW ID6 - China (SAIC, Shanghai and FAW, Foshan)
VW ID7 - Germany and China (FAW, Foshan)
VW ID Buzz - Germany

I just thought it was interesting that the Tavasacan is just a rebadged Chinese market only VW - I guess they wanted to add a cheaper product to the line-up (cheaper to VW, not the customer, obviously) but there was no space in the European ID lineup for another model so they made it a Cupra - in my experience, cars that are engineered to be Chinese market specific like this are not necessarily great for the European market.

I also find it rather underhand and misleading that VW put pressure on the EU to lift tariffs because VW is "also committed to investing in significant BEV-related projects in the EU with clearly defined milestones, supporting the EU s industrial strategy and incentivising compliance with EU climate transition goals" - ie a thinly veiled threat to stop producing in Europe, perhaps?

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/368541/cupra-ta...

I spent a lot of time working with Chinese car manufacturers in China (including JAC) and was not exactly impressed by their approach to engineering or business ethics, shall we say.

VW have several more rebadged Chinese cars headed to Europe apparently. At the end of the day, VW have to do what they need to do to survive, and partnership wiht the Chinese on some fronts is required to do that. They can't design, tool and produce new car models as efficiently or cheaply as the Chinese can - that, in every sense, is the bottom line.

As for Chinese quality, it seems they've upped their quality level quite considerably in just the past few years. Look at the UK stats, more than 1 in 10 of the new cars sold here now are Chinese (in addition to rebadged Chinese models and also cars made in China for Western brands), and you just know the Daily Mail are tracking reliability statistics in the hope of proving that foreign cars are unreliable muck... BYD have been peddling their cars here the longest and there is some emergent data on their reliability, apparently they suffer less faults than the average car in the UK at the same age - although unsurprisingly waiting for parts to repair the faulty ones apparently takes longer. But that aside, early signs are they're at least as reliable as whatever else we might buy.

I can't comment on the business practices of Chinese auto firms! But i'm sure that for better or worse, it's complex and quite different to western firms.

[Byker28i]

TheDeuce said:

padrc66 said:

Yes it is the MEB platform which is manufactured in many different places, eg:

Audi Q4 - Germany
Audi Q5 - China (SAIC, Shanghai))
Cupra Born - Germany
Cupra Tavascan - China (JAC, Hefei)
Ford Explorer - Germany
Ford Capri - Germany
Skoda Enyaq - Czech Republic
Skoda Elroq - Czech Republic
VW ID3, ID4, ID5 - Germany
VW ID6 - China (SAIC, Shanghai and FAW, Foshan)
VW ID7 - Germany and China (FAW, Foshan)
VW ID Buzz - Germany

I just thought it was interesting that the Tavasacan is just a rebadged Chinese market only VW - I guess they wanted to add a cheaper product to the line-up (cheaper to VW, not the customer, obviously) but there was no space in the European ID lineup for another model so they made it a Cupra - in my experience, cars that are engineered to be Chinese market specific like this are not necessarily great for the European market.

I also find it rather underhand and misleading that VW put pressure on the EU to lift tariffs because VW is "also committed to investing in significant BEV-related projects in the EU with clearly defined milestones, supporting the EU s industrial strategy and incentivising compliance with EU climate transition goals" - ie a thinly veiled threat to stop producing in Europe, perhaps?

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/368541/cupra-ta...

I spent a lot of time working with Chinese car manufacturers in China (including JAC) and was not exactly impressed by their approach to engineering or business ethics, shall we say.

VW have several more rebadged Chinese cars headed to Europe apparently. At the end of the day, VW have to do what they need to do to survive, and partnership wiht the Chinese on some fronts is required to do that. They can't design, tool and produce new car models as efficiently or cheaply as the Chinese can - that, in every sense, is the bottom line.

As for Chinese quality, it seems they've upped their quality level quite considerably in just the past few years. Look at the UK stats, more than 1 in 10 of the new cars sold here now are Chinese (in addition to rebadged Chinese models and also cars made in China for Western brands), and you just know the Daily Mail are tracking reliability statistics in the hope of proving that foreign cars are unreliable muck... BYD have been peddling their cars here the longest and there is some emergent data on their reliability, apparently they suffer less faults than the average car in the UK at the same age - although unsurprisingly waiting for parts to repair the faulty ones apparently takes longer. But that aside, early signs are they're at least as reliable as whatever else we might buy.

I can't comment on the business practices of Chinese auto firms! But i'm sure that for better or worse, it's complex and quite different to western firms.

I had a drive in the EV Capri at the motorshow last Friday, was impressed with that.