'Bat Tuul' and 'Sharl le clair'
'Bat Tuul' and 'Sharl le clair'
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jonysan

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388 posts

56 months

Saturday
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Watching highlights of Dutch Sprint and Qualifying on Channel 4, The commentator seems to have a thing about the word 'Bat-tuul' and has Frenchyfied the name Charles Leclerc into 'Sharl Le Claire. Think I need to start a 'Bat-tuul' drinking game, I'd be hammered by lap 15.

Diderot

9,566 posts

220 months

Saturday
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That’s how you pronounce his name in French.

Derek Smith

49,597 posts

276 months

On-air pronunciation for commentators is more of an artform than something you can teach. It's flexible, changes frequently, and much depends on whom you are talking to. We say Paris, pronouncing the final S, but if you want to appear someone to avoid, pronounce the final S in Le Mans. I mean! As if anyone would.

What about Roma, Napoli, etc, but a soft G in Bologna is a must. Finding Florence on an Italian map is a bit like Where’s Wally. Charlie Sheen must sound a bit weird in French.

Why should we bother? I bet no French commentator says the final N in London and instead adds a DRE. Do I care?

We seem to beat ourselves up with local pronunciation. Ayers Rock doesn’t care what you call it. And Snowdon is Snowdon on lots and lots of maps.

I agree with Kyiv. The previous name was imposed by Russia. I bet that showed them.

bergclimber34

3,800 posts

21 months

There was a bloke who was highly respected in MotpGP comms for decades who was useless at pronouncing riders names and never corrected despite the obvious issues.

He always Mag nee cours, see he could do the cours bit but nothing else.

Would always say we gay, not we hey for Jorge. (sorry mods)

Always called Doohan Michael when everyone else called him Mick. Never once pronounced Criville properly or Gibernau.

He was not alone, Mury was puleld aside late on Ayrtons career and told how to pronounce Ayrtons name properly.

And as Bits we all say Mercedes, Schumacher wrong aswell.


Super Sonic

14,022 posts

82 months

bergclimber34 said:
There was a bloke who was highly respected in MotpGP comms for decades who was useless at pronouncing riders names and never corrected despite the obvious issues.

He always Mag nee cours, see he could do the cours bit but nothing else.

Would always say we gay, not we hey for Jorge. (sorry mods)

Always called Doohan Michael when everyone else called him Mick. Never once pronounced Criville properly or Gibernau.

He was not alone, Mury was puleld aside late on Ayrtons career and told how to pronounce Ayrtons name properly.

And as Bits we all say Mercedes, Schumacher wrong aswell.
"Dew caddy"

Jasandjules

72,522 posts

257 months

Who is Bat tuul?

Charles is correct in English sharl.....

thetapeworm

13,750 posts

267 months

He's a Monégasque driver you know, they never mention it.

Additionally, it turns out Kimi Antonelli is a teenager, again, rarely mentioned.


tangerine_sedge

6,625 posts

246 months

He'll always be Charlie Clarke to me smile

Chimune

4,231 posts

251 months

thetapeworm said:
He's a Monégasque driver you know, they never mention it.
biglaugh
Took me a year to get round to googling what he was saying - then I realised I didn't know how to spell what I was hearing. Figured it out eventually but FFS.


BrownEaredDog

1,343 posts

129 months

Yesterday (12:51)
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thetapeworm said:
Additionally, it turns out Kimi Antonelli is a teenager, again, rarely mentioned.
hehe

Both F1TV and Sky were driving me nuts with this over the weekend. Still, his 20th birthday is this week, apparently, so that should shut them up. I hope.

TheDeuce

33,521 posts

94 months

Yesterday (16:16)
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Diderot said:
That s how you pronounce his name in French.
Yes. And as it's a name it's not correct to change it's pronunciation whatever the language. A 'David' in Britain doesn't become a 'Davide' on the continent...

His name is pronounced Sharl which is spelt 'Charles'.

Commentator was correct.

thegreenhell

23,496 posts

247 months

Yesterday (16:17)
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We still don't know who/what Bat Tuul is?

craigjm

21,311 posts

228 months

Yesterday (16:25)
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thegreenhell said:
We still don't know who/what Bat Tuul is?
Bottas?

thetapeworm

13,750 posts

267 months

Yesterday (18:33)
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thegreenhell said:
We still don't know who/what Bat Tuul is?
I presumed "battle"?

jonysan

Original Poster:

388 posts

56 months

Yesterday (19:27)
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thetapeworm said:
thegreenhell said:
We still don't know who/what Bat Tuul is?
I presumed "battle"?
Yes, 'Estuary' Battle. Channel Four commentator (I don't know which one) seems to use the term 'quite' often, Drinking game certainty. Regardez Charles Leclerc and my opinion that the same commentator 'Frenchifies' the pronunciation a la 'Allo Allo'. I do know how it is pronounced Sharl leclerc. and not Sharleclerc. It's ok, I'll get over it, but maybe not the persistent "Bat Tuul".