RE: Timewarp, Panda-clone Marbella has us at hello
RE: Timewarp, Panda-clone Marbella has us at hello
Friday 28th August

Timewarp, Panda-clone Marbella has us at hello

What better way of protesting modern car bloat than buying a papiermaché Seat from 1993?


The Seat what now? Yes, the Marbella: last vestige of the manufacturer’s long-running relationship with Fiat and oft-forgotten sibling to the Panda, which it resembles from every possible angle, save a close-up of the badge. The Italian-made car, of course, is hugely famous for combining Giorgetto Giugiaro’s sawn-off design with wilfully utilitarian running gear. It was meant as a practical car without pretence, in Fiat’s finest tradition. Two months after its reveal, the firm had apparently received 70,000 orders. 

Those really were the days. Of course, that was 1980; by 1993, when our hero emerged from the Zona Franca plant, the market had moved on somewhat - but Seat hadn’t: it soldiered on with the rebranded Marbella till 1998. This seems remarkable now, especially given the firm’s relationship with Fiat came to an end in 1982, which meant that the Marbella did not receive the mechanical updates that even the Panda was treated to in 1986. 

Which means that if you’re looking for an ode to old-school simplicity (and who isn’t these days), you could hardly do better than a car which is said to be original save for an updated stereo. This is presumably its heaviest component, save for the 903cc - or possibly 899cc - 100 series engine, which traces its genesis back to 1955, and might just be good enough for 80mph. Assuming the dog you keep in the footwell is similarly lightweight. 

Naturally, it is the palpable lack of mass (and tosses) that makes the Marbella appealing now. Anyone expecting Cinquecento Sporting-style sparkle will come away disappointed; the performance here will be modest with a capital M. But it will be honest and cheery and as insulated from the road surface as an empty biscuit tin. If you’re looking for a car to make urban commuting seem like fun, there might be none better. 

Obviously it helps that this example looks pleasingly straight and understressed. In three decades, the Marbella has only covered 48k - though the MOT record (which is now advisory-free in its latest issue) suggests gentle use rather than complete hibernation. Earlier issues speak to old-car admin rather than untold horror story: think worn discs, cracked or perished tyres, a minor exhaust leak, and slightly worn front shock bushes.

That doesn’t mean it won’t need TLC - it will. And at £3,995, it’s no shed-like bargain either, or a secret driver’s car. But it is another survivor of a near-forgotten age, when superminis were built with practically no airs and graces. Giugiaro said he wanted the Panda to be like a pair of jeans; i.e. functional, and suitable anywhere. That made the car cool in 1980, and we’d venture that in its own downsized, dinky way, it is even cooler now. But we might be wrong. Let’s see if it’s still for sale 14 days hence.


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rossub

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5,913 posts

219 months

Thursday 27th August
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Amazing condition.

Wonder how hard it would be to swap in the 4x4 from a poorer nick Panda.

mjspencer348

185 posts

4 months

Thursday 27th August
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Blimey O'Reilly, a 1993 car with a choke, that must be some sort of record. This is the 'Fun' special edition, with unique door graphics and seat upholstery, the gear knob doesn't look OE, mind. Stiff price, but find another, as they say.

Tin Hat

1,425 posts

238 months

Thursday 27th August
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What a totally splendid vehicle, I salute whoever grabs that as their steed

otolith

68,301 posts

233 months

Thursday 27th August
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The amount of rose tint required leaves the spectacles entirely opaque.

Xenoous

2,331 posts

87 months

Thursday 27th August
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Wonderful. I genuinely want it... Not sure the missus would appreciate it though...

Tickle

6,426 posts

233 months

Thursday 27th August
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What a thing, yes

127Sport

91 posts

1 month

Thursday 27th August
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£2k and I'd take it for my daughter. £4k I'm out.

mjspencer348

185 posts

4 months

Thursday 27th August
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rossub said:
Amazing condition.

Wonder how hard it would be to swap in the 4x4 from a poorer nick Panda.
Very hard, the 4x4 had a strengthened shell with a prop shaft tunnel and different rear suspension mountings. You could fit a later 1000cc FIRE engine, but that would only add 10bhp.

127Sport

91 posts

1 month

Thursday 27th August
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Tangential question - where TF do I buy hubcaps like that for steel wheels? I can only ever find full size trims online.

hyperblue

2,906 posts

209 months

Thursday 27th August
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I have fond terrifying memories of my dad nearly reversing one of these off the side of a volcano in Fuerteventura whilst on holiday in the early 90s. This one is not for me.

soxboy

7,571 posts

248 months

Thursday 27th August
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127Sport said:
Tangential question - where TF do I buy hubcaps like that for steel wheels? I can only ever find full size trims online.
How about a set of Italia 90 wheel trims?

rossub

Original Poster:

5,913 posts

219 months

Thursday 27th August
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mjspencer348 said:
rossub said:
Amazing condition.

Wonder how hard it would be to swap in the 4x4 from a poorer nick Panda.
Very hard, the 4x4 had a strengthened shell with a prop shaft tunnel and different rear suspension mountings. You could fit a later 1000cc FIRE engine, but that would only add 10bhp.
Thanks - knew someone would know!

127Sport

91 posts

1 month

Thursday 27th August
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soxboy said:
127Sport said:
Tangential question - where TF do I buy hubcaps like that for steel wheels? I can only ever find full size trims online.
How about a set of Italia 90 wheel trims?
Haha no, I don't mean for a Panda specifically, just in general for any make. I'd like some for an old Corolla I've got knocking about. Don't think that would suit Italia 90 trims! biggrin

gazza285

11,092 posts

237 months

Thursday 27th August
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Yes yes, but at four K? Just no.

Poverty spec motoring from the turn of the Century, a work colleague bought one for two hundred quid, it did him four years without anything other than a dribble of oil to top it up. No servicing or maintenance whatsoever.

disco666

661 posts

175 months

Thursday 27th August
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Regardless of the low mileage, somebody has spent a few quid keeping that on the road and in good nick for all these years.
I'm not quite sure why, but respect nonetheless.

J4CKO

46,755 posts

229 months

Thursday 27th August
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127Sport said:
£2k and I'd take it for my daughter. £4k I'm out.
Yes, put your offspring in 30 odd year old biscuit tins with zero safety features in a world of 2.5 ton cars. We were selling an original 500 and some daft old bugger rang up to enquire about it for this grandaughter to do a 100 mile trip each way to Uni, he said it was perfect, no it wastn, unless you want her stranded, or dead.

Its got a certain 1990s Greek rental car chic going on but they had zero cred back when new, an off brand Panda, when the actual Panda was not very desirable, I know people witter on about them now but the done *have* to drive it now, these were miserable contraptions to those that had them by and large, when a MK3 Escort seems like pure luxury you know its a bit st. Go on, have one as your only car, now, through winter and see how much you enjoy it.

127Sport

91 posts

1 month

Thursday 27th August
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J4CKO said:
127Sport said:
£2k and I'd take it for my daughter. £4k I'm out.
Yes, put your offspring in 30 odd year old biscuit tins with zero safety features in a world of 2.5 ton cars. We were selling an original 500 and some daft old bugger rang up to enquire about it for this grandaughter to do a 100 mile trip each way to Uni, he said it was perfect, no it wastn, unless you want her stranded, or dead.

Its got a certain 1990s Greek rental car chic going on but they had zero cred back when new, an off brand Panda, when the actual Panda was not very desirable, I know people witter on about them now but the done *have* to drive it now, these were miserable contraptions to those that had them by and large, when a MK3 Escort seems like pure luxury you know its a bit st. Go on, have one as your only car, now, through winter and see how much you enjoy it.
Crikey. OK. You seem to know an awful lot about my family and our needs.

Besides, I said I'm out so you don't need to worry. I'll get her a BMW X7, just to be sure.

Have a nice evening.

Turbobanana

8,295 posts

230 months

Thursday 27th August
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127Sport said:
J4CKO said:
127Sport said:
£2k and I'd take it for my daughter. £4k I'm out.
Yes, put your offspring in 30 odd year old biscuit tins with zero safety features in a world of 2.5 ton cars. We were selling an original 500 and some daft old bugger rang up to enquire about it for this grandaughter to do a 100 mile trip each way to Uni, he said it was perfect, no it wastn, unless you want her stranded, or dead.

Its got a certain 1990s Greek rental car chic going on but they had zero cred back when new, an off brand Panda, when the actual Panda was not very desirable, I know people witter on about them now but the done *have* to drive it now, these were miserable contraptions to those that had them by and large, when a MK3 Escort seems like pure luxury you know its a bit st. Go on, have one as your only car, now, through winter and see how much you enjoy it.
Crikey. OK. You seem to know an awful lot about my family and our needs.

Besides, I said I'm out so you don't need to worry. I'll get her a BMW X7, just to be sure.

Have a nice evening.
Fairly typical PH response to anything small / old I'm afraid, 127. Don't take it personally.

Equally as annoying as that is the fact the author says it's identical to a Panda. Which I suppose it is, if you don't count the completely different front end treatment, And rear lights.

BeastieBoy73

805 posts

141 months

Thursday 27th August
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Love that as my mum had a few Pandas back in the 80s.

To buy a Fiat Panda in as good a condition as this Marbella appears to be, would cost a fair bit more.

I'd love one, but ideally the 'Terra' open roofed Jeep version.

Leins

10,406 posts

177 months

Thursday 27th August
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One of Carlos Sainz’s early rally cars was a Seat Panda (name change to Marbella came in when Seat was sold to VW I believe). I remember seeing this car at Essen one year and thought it was a wonderful piece of motorsport history