Racist Television

[mondeoman]

Right - I might be shot down and accused of all sorts of stuff here, but here goes..........

Last night on ITV was an awards show (nothing new about that) but it was a COLOREDS only awards show. Now to me this is blatantly illegal - the selection criteria were based on race and colour (no whites allowed), not solely on skill or talent or any other HUMAN trait.

How can a major broadcasting company get away with this blatant racism?? If I tried to organise a whites-only award I'd get arrested, and quite rightly too. Has this country really got to the point where racism is acceptable to society, as long as its anti-white?

Or have I missed something somewhere?

Don't go gettin me wrong - I don't believe myself to be a racist in any way, shape or form and the winners of the awards were rightly proud of their achievements, I just cant understand how this isalowed to occur.

I feel a letter of complaint coming on, unless anyone here can persuade me that it wasn't racist.

[s2ooz]

your not being racist. to be anti-racist, you should complain. defending racist attacks can be based at any creed or colour, if they are being victimised, usually, it is often seen that blacks are victimised, but it sounds like in this case, whites are victimesed, the point of being anti-racist is *you see no colour*

I often think the MOBO (music of black origin) awards are biased, theres no MOWO awards are there?

[Podie]

This has always perplexed me... how come they are allowed to have the MOBO awards and stuff?

Surely that promotes the differences between people etc etc and maybe even encourages racism?

[neil_cardiff]

Same sentiment thought here. WHY???

[Podie]

Is it me, or are we suffering a post-racist backlash, whereby white, hetrosexual males are positively discriminated against?

I watched the news last night... apparently Asian men are 3 times more likely to be stopped than whites, and black men 8 times more likely.

Maybe they just complain more? Who knows? I'm not saying it's right.. but I've been stopped in my car 4 times this year... and had 4 producers. Never made a complaint about it - they're only doing their job. Again, been stopped and searched on the street twice in the last 6 months...

Personally, I'd rather that sort of thing DID happen, as it keeps the real scum off the street. Why would I complain? I've nothing to hide...

[sparkey]

Get your letter written Mondeoman ! I also can't understand how they are allowed to have blatently racist award shows and no-one seems to mention it. I think most media types are afraid (as I sense you almost were) to mention it in case they were accused of being racist themselves!

I'm off for a cup of tea. (I won't mention wether or not I take milk in my tea in case I'm branded a racist) - Ok bugger it, I'll have it white.

[raceboy]

MOBO's I'll let slide as white performers have won MOBOS's in the past, I could be wrong but I think All Saints won one, and I imagine Eminem's got one, as it is music of black Origin not music by black people, but this other award do sound blatently raceist, anti white racism always goes unnoticed as we don't really care, it's the 'iz it cos mez black' excuse all the time,

[dern]

Last night on ITV was an awards show (nothing new about that) but it was a COLOREDS only awards show. Now to me this is blatantly illegal - the selection criteria were based on race and colour (no whites allowed), not solely on skill or talent or any other HUMAN trait.

I think the idea is that the ethnicity of the origin of the music is something unique and something to be preserved. Therefore promoting black music like this presumably has that aim in mind so that all music doesn't bleed into a gray middle ground. It's along the same lines as Jazz festivals/awards or Country music awards, that kind of thing.

Cant see a problem with it at all and, imo, it's a good thing.

Mark

[flasher]

Spot on.

If I organised a Music Of White Origin awards night I would be castigated as a racist and no doubt hounded by the Anti Nazi League. But it's fine to have the MOBO's?

I also get offended when some bands (usually rappers) do videos with no white people in them at all. If white bands did it they would be ripped apart by the media.

The people who suffer racism the worst now in this country are white people. We are not allowed a voice, we are denied our basic human right to free speech and we are told we are racist at every opportunity. We have asylum seekers queuing to get in and 99.9% of them are economic migrants.They use our welfare state that WE pay for, fill our hospitals and increase the crime and poverty rate.Dare to complain and you are compared to Hitler.

Let's take the Middle East as an example. Dubai. I have been there many times as I have family who live there. Huge, fabulous country very affluent, loads of room for people to live.Welfare state and hospitals like nowhere on earth. They look after their own people and bollocks to everyone else. No immigration, no other religion allowed, and virtually no crime. Full employment. Are you with me? NO Immigration WHATSOEVER. Even if you work there for 30 years, when you retire you must leave. You cannot use their welfare system and you cannot use their hospitals. You pay for it. And does the World label them as racist? Do people who live there complain? NO.

Contrast that with the UK. What a crap country this is becoming.

:rantmodeoff:

[nubbin]

dern, I get the impression that this wasn't a music awards show, so although I agree with your comment about music's origins, it seems this is a different issue. How the hell are we supposed to promote a multi-racial, multi-ethnic society, when society allows segregation of culture in this way? It also demeans the minority being celebrated, simply because it is a suggestion that as a minority, they are strugling to gain support and acclaim within the mainstream of society, and so segregate themselves as a sub-stratum, to hand out some gongs. It promotes a perception of difference within the group concerned, and a sense of isolation, second class citizenry, and provides ample fodder for racists to say that "this group doesn't want to join our society" -

What would happen if we started opening Protestant- only schools all over Bradford? I know there are Church of England schools, but they are really non-segregatory. Why do Catholic-only schools exist?

If you want a peaceful, and truly multi-racial and harmonious society, the only way is to have one set of rules for all - that includes where you go to school, which language is your primary tongue, identical career pathways, a mixture of ethicity that is equally represented in all areas of our society, and a greater promotion of all sub-cultures into all the other sub-cultures. That includes teaching moslems, Rastas, blacks, Chines the values, norms and morals of British society, as well as teaching British children the reverse. That's the way to promote understanding and tolerance, not force-feeding the differences.

[s2ooz]

dern said:

Last night on ITV was an awards show (nothing new about that) but it was a COLOREDS only awards show. Now to me this is blatantly illegal - the selection criteria were based on race and colour (no whites allowed), not solely on skill or talent or any other HUMAN trait.

I think the idea is that the ethnicity of the origin of the music is something unique and something to be preserved. Therefore promoting black music like this presumably has that aim in mind so that all music doesn't bleed into a gray middle ground. It's along the same lines as Jazz festivals/awards or Country music awards, that kind of thing.

Cant see a problem with it at all and, imo, it's a good thing.

Mark

see your point, mobo isnt really the same, but I dont know what mondeoman was watching last night it was me that mentioned mobo.
mondeoman?
what award was it?

[mondeoman]

dern said: I think the idea is that the ethnicity of the origin of the music is something unique and something to be preserved. Therefore promoting black music like this presumably has that aim in mind so that all music doesn't bleed into a gray middle ground. It's along the same lines as Jazz festivals/awards or Country music awards, that kind of thing.

Cant see a problem with it at all and, imo, it's a good thing.

Mark

Sorry Mark, but it wasn't about music - there was sports, politics, broadcasting, publishing, music, TV - you name it, it got an award - AND NO WHITES ALLOWED!!!!!!!!

For the examples you gave, the COLOUR of the performer is not the issue, but their skill is - in this instance the skill was still there but the COLOUR had to be NON WHITE!

How can this not be racism?

[maranellouk]

They? Doesn't very inclusive! I am assuming everyone who posted before me is white. I hate to use the phrase "white people" and I hate "coloureds" even more. When used it always comes across as a "us Vs them" statement. They sound extremely devicive and always put people on the defensive.

The majority of most types of music is of black origin and until very recently the performers/producers/writers were not getting the acclaim the deserve. The MOBO awards were designed to promote the music styles overlooked in the U.K charts. [bold]THE IDEA IS TO AWARD THE MUSIC NOT THE ARTIST[/bold] This means anyone, regardless of colour, who is doing good thing with Music Of Black Origin is eligible for an award. However, I believe they have failed as they focus on bullshit music from the States and the U.S copycat acts in th U.K. The stuff most people see and define as being "Black music" is the SHIT music which MTV and all the other stations insist playing. Being as 65-70% of sales of the SHIT music are attributed to "white middle-class kids" I know who to blame No market, no sales!

It's not about being "black" sorry "coloureds only" it's supposed to be about celebrating the music. Again, I believe they fail and promote weak, empty, souless music. Don't know why the hell you guys are pissed. Only people who should be pissed are white guys who are making great music and are being overlooked at these awards! Bloody HELL!

[zippy500]

I queried this a while back regarding the new radio 1 channel for black music. Nice to have different rules isnt it. I dont like it being called a white board, I dont like thw phrase white christmas and I dont like white pudding. Lets have a revolution.

[CarZee]

I could write a fair old spiel on this, but it's pretty much all been said. And I can't be arsed. It's Friday an I have a hangover.

So, to summarise:

Melting Pot, My Arse.

[s2ooz]

maranellouk said: They? Doesn't very inclusive! I am assuming everyone who posted before me is white. I hate to use the phrase "white people" and I hate "coloureds" even more. When used it always comes across as a "us Vs them" statement. They sound extremely devicive and always put people on the defensive.

The majority of most types of music is of black origin and until very recently the performers/producers/writers were not getting the acclaim the deserve. The MOBO awards were designed to promote the music styles overlooked in the U.K charts. [bold]THE IDEA IS TO AWARD THE MUSIC NOT THE ARTIST[/bold] This means anyone, regardless of colour, who is doing good thing with Music Of Black Origin is eligible for an award. However, I believe they have failed as they focus on bullshit music from the States and the U.S copycat acts in th U.K. The stuff most people see and define as being "Black music" is the SHIT music which MTV and all the other stations insist playing. Being as 65-70% of sales of the SHIT music are attributed to "white middle-class kids" I know who to blame No market, no sales!

It's not about being "black" sorry "coloureds only" it's supposed to be about celebrating the music. Again, I believe they fail and promote weak, empty, souless music. Don't know why the hell you guys are pissed. Only people who should be pissed are white guys who are making great music and are being overlooked at these awards! Bloody HELL!

maranellouk , again, apologies is was me that pondered MOBO, I have been corrected. mondeoman was on about a completely different show.

[mondeoman]

maranellouk said: They? Doesn't very inclusive! I am assuming everyone who posted before me is white. I hate to use the phrase "white people" and I hate "coloureds" even more. When used it always comes across as a "us Vs them" statement. They sound extremely devicive and always put people on the defensive.

My sentiments exactly - the colour of someones skin is a descrptor in the same way as the colour of hair or eyes is.

But this Programme (on ITV Midlands last night, 11pm onwards - I'm lookin for the name of it, sponsored by Carlton) was using the skin colour as a judgement criteria - which is wrong wrong wrong, so why were Carlton (the "they" you I was refering to) allowed to get away with it?

[flasher]

dern said:

Last night on ITV was an awards show (nothing new about that) but it was a COLOREDS only awards show. Now to me this is blatantly illegal - the selection criteria were based on race and colour (no whites allowed), not solely on skill or talent or any other HUMAN trait.

I think the idea is that the ethnicity of the origin of the music is something unique and something to be preserved. Therefore promoting black music like this presumably has that aim in mind so that all music doesn't bleed into a gray middle ground. It's along the same lines as Jazz festivals/awards or Country music awards, that kind of thing.

Cant see a problem with it at all and, imo, it's a good thing.

Mark

Sorry Mark, No offence meant but that's tripe. Unequal, racist, anti-white rubbish.
Picking out one culture or colour for special attention is racist. End of story.

[maranellouk]

Sorry didn't realise it wasn't regarding MOBO. Took me an age to type as I am packing bags so I thought I would be the third post.

I think the idea of the awards is to promote the people that feel they are/might be over looked. As they are not many black/asian/other in comparrison to there white collegues I understand the reason for the awards. I assume the awards are given to promote the best/most talented in each field. Given that most award shows feature mainly white nominees it is a good way to promote unseen/hidden talent. I think that white actors/musicians/presenters blah blah blah are doing very well so there is no need to ship any foreigners out just yet Surely just a way of bringing forward new faces? I'm sure some of the winners/nominees will have a better chance at getting further in their chosen field thanks to this opp.

Probably gonna be about 20 posts off the topic by the time this goes through.

[sparkey]

I can agree with Maranellouk that the MOBOs are to promote a type of music, but the very fact that, as stated, nearly all modern music has it's origin in black music means that the title is irrelevant, and only used to try and segregate races.
For example many people of many races are involved in the manufacture of trains or cars and to my knowledge the inventors of these form of transport where white. But would it be acceptable for the Department of Transport to be called the Department for White originated transport systems?
Ridiculous I know, but no more so than the title MOBO.