Diesel Yes or No 2028
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Hi All,
So will be changing my car in late 2027 or early 2028.
Current car is Mercedes E350d 6cyl, previous one was Mercedes E280 6cyl.
Therefore have the bug for 6cyl. Am also looking at the E200 petrol 4cyl but research tells me this is underpowered for the E Class, and the refinement is not a patch on the 6cyl diesel.
My options are go full electric and have narrowed that down to the GLC 400, but don’t have a driveway for home charging, live in inner London, but am able to make it work with lampost charger on my road, and fast charger also round the corner. Have done all the research and posted a thread on the electric issue, to which I got very helpful advise and insight.
Another option I haven’t ruled out is the new Mercedes E450d, my average mileage is 5k, not concerned about adblue and nox sensors, as I do a good motorway run monthly. Will be 60 when I change the current car, and keep my cars for 8-10 years, so will be near 70 when I would consider changing the E450d if I chose it, or it could be my last car.
The question here is would I be foolish in getting a diesel, will there be any further restrictions on diesel cars in the future. Any one else still buying diesels.
So will be changing my car in late 2027 or early 2028.
Current car is Mercedes E350d 6cyl, previous one was Mercedes E280 6cyl.
Therefore have the bug for 6cyl. Am also looking at the E200 petrol 4cyl but research tells me this is underpowered for the E Class, and the refinement is not a patch on the 6cyl diesel.
My options are go full electric and have narrowed that down to the GLC 400, but don’t have a driveway for home charging, live in inner London, but am able to make it work with lampost charger on my road, and fast charger also round the corner. Have done all the research and posted a thread on the electric issue, to which I got very helpful advise and insight.
Another option I haven’t ruled out is the new Mercedes E450d, my average mileage is 5k, not concerned about adblue and nox sensors, as I do a good motorway run monthly. Will be 60 when I change the current car, and keep my cars for 8-10 years, so will be near 70 when I would consider changing the E450d if I chose it, or it could be my last car.
The question here is would I be foolish in getting a diesel, will there be any further restrictions on diesel cars in the future. Any one else still buying diesels.
As someone living in London with a mileage of 4k-ish I wouldn't touch a diesel. I'm also distrustful of hybrid tech complexity in a s/h car out of warranty.
I'd personally downsize into something with a 2.0 turbo petrol. Coming out of an E Class, I'd either go for a 530i (200kg lighter) or a C300.
I'd personally downsize into something with a 2.0 turbo petrol. Coming out of an E Class, I'd either go for a 530i (200kg lighter) or a C300.
GT9 said:
cliffords said:
We should have hydrogen vehicles.
Brilliant, like your style of humour, very dry.[/quotehttps://www.jcb.com/en-GB/campaigns/jcb-hydromax/
cliffords said:
GT9 said:
cliffords said:
We should have hydrogen vehicles.
Brilliant, like your style of humour, very dry.Edited by SDK on Monday 7th September 19:23
The restrictions in urban areas will continue to tighten. If you live in a city, or need to go into one regularly, then diesel is not a great idea.
If you live in the sticks, as I do, the restrictions will take a lot longer to come as they will be much more disruptive. I live in a village in Dorset, not too far from the county town of Dorchester. Lots of older diesels still on the road here, and with a very patchy and sparse public transport network, stopping people driving them into town without a massive investment in alternatives will be catastrophic for local businesses.
If you live in the sticks, as I do, the restrictions will take a lot longer to come as they will be much more disruptive. I live in a village in Dorset, not too far from the county town of Dorchester. Lots of older diesels still on the road here, and with a very patchy and sparse public transport network, stopping people driving them into town without a massive investment in alternatives will be catastrophic for local businesses.
I shouldn't think the refinement is an issue; my recent experience of MB/BMW/LR I6 diesels is that they're rougher (simply because diesel) than a turbo I4 petrol, more often than not (the exception being mid-load acceleration where the bigger engine is holding a gear while the smaller spins-up.) Certainly modern petrol engines are "non-present" at idle and low-load, where a diesel would be noticeable.
SDK said:
Tough decision
My advice : Due to your location/circumstances - Get the diesel but be prepared to switch it for an EV much earlier than 10 years
Why nothing petrol?
Would like to stay with the Mercedes brand, as current and previous car have been good to me.My advice : Due to your location/circumstances - Get the diesel but be prepared to switch it for an EV much earlier than 10 years
Why nothing petrol?
Mercedes don’t do 6cyl petrol in the E Class saloon in the uk sadly, as that would have been my go to option, they do in Europe.
Am now watching some YT reviews on the E200 petrol, but some say they feel it being underpowered especially at the higher speeds. May need to have a test drive so can see and feel it for myself.
The question for getting a new or nearly new E450d, and then changing earlier, would there be any buyers for a high powered diesel, maybe the best solution all round would be to go with EV.
AmyRichardson said:
I shouldn't think the refinement is an issue; my recent experience of MB/BMW/LR I6 diesels is that they're rougher (simply because diesel) than a turbo I4 petrol, more often than not (the exception being mid-load acceleration where the bigger engine is holding a gear while the smaller spins-up.) Certainly modern petrol engines are "non-present" at idle and low-load, where a diesel would be noticeable.
Thanks for that, I think for me the best thing would be to have a test drive of the E200, and only than I can decide if it is for me or not.I'm in a similar situation coming up to retirement and will then buy my 'retirement car's that I'll keep for at least 10 years.
I've previously had many diesels, 7 I think, but I'm presently in my second PHEV and love it. Just driven 220 miles to the Lakes and averaged 57 mpg by keeping to around 65, I.e the middle lane speed. That was without using the electric that I've saved for tootling around the lanes where the mpg tends to suffer a bit. It's an X1 by the way.
Like the OP though, my big decision is to stick with PHEV or go all in for an EV.
Presently I'm fairly sure I'll go Lexus NX PHEV, possibly the new. iX3 but I'm not keen on the looks at all
I've previously had many diesels, 7 I think, but I'm presently in my second PHEV and love it. Just driven 220 miles to the Lakes and averaged 57 mpg by keeping to around 65, I.e the middle lane speed. That was without using the electric that I've saved for tootling around the lanes where the mpg tends to suffer a bit. It's an X1 by the way.
Like the OP though, my big decision is to stick with PHEV or go all in for an EV.
Presently I'm fairly sure I'll go Lexus NX PHEV, possibly the new. iX3 but I'm not keen on the looks at all
Benz17 said:
AmyRichardson said:
I shouldn't think the refinement is an issue; my recent experience of MB/BMW/LR I6 diesels is that they're rougher (simply because diesel) than a turbo I4 petrol, more often than not (the exception being mid-load acceleration where the bigger engine is holding a gear while the smaller spins-up.) Certainly modern petrol engines are "non-present" at idle and low-load, where a diesel would be noticeable.
Thanks for that, I think for me the best thing would be to have a test drive of the E200, and only than I can decide if it is for me or not.Low mileage, on street charging and a ten year period of ownership? Hybrid petrol or petrol for me. Diesel makes little sense IMO. Restrictions will only get more onerous, demand in the second hand market will fall, and your potential fuel savings are negligible at that mileage.
For low to mid annual mileages,diesel only makes sense as a second hand buy. Buying at say £12-15k, using it for 5 years and selling it for bobbins limits your loss. No way I would invest in a newish diesel in your position.
For low to mid annual mileages,diesel only makes sense as a second hand buy. Buying at say £12-15k, using it for 5 years and selling it for bobbins limits your loss. No way I would invest in a newish diesel in your position.
I don’t think an E450d in 2027/28 would be foolish if you genuinely plan to keep it 8 to 10 years and still love the six cylinder Merc thing.
I’d be less worried about diesels being suddenly banned and more about ICE cars getting progressively more expensive to run in inner London through road charging etc.
At 5k a year a big diesel isn’t the obvious logical choice, but equally an EV without proper home charging loses one of its biggest advantages.
Personally I wouldn’t buy the E200 just because it looks like the sensible middle ground. If what you really want is the refinement of the six, the E450d could make a lot of sense as a last ICE car.
I’d be less worried about diesels being suddenly banned and more about ICE cars getting progressively more expensive to run in inner London through road charging etc.
At 5k a year a big diesel isn’t the obvious logical choice, but equally an EV without proper home charging loses one of its biggest advantages.
Personally I wouldn’t buy the E200 just because it looks like the sensible middle ground. If what you really want is the refinement of the six, the E450d could make a lot of sense as a last ICE car.
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