Protesting 3p a mile charge
Discussion
So I wrote to my mp, asking how the ridiculous 3p a mile charge was supposed to encourage people to buy electric cars. This is the reply I got:-
“Thank you for sharing your concerns about the ‘pay per mile’ tax on electric vehicles scheduled to come into force in 2028.
I continue to champion the move towards more sustainable and cleaner transport, both private and public. I am pleased that around a third of new cars registered last year were plug-in vehicles. However, I also understand that the driving force behind this policy is the need to generate enough revenue from road tax to maintain our road networks.
I do appreciate the points you raise on incentivising EV uptake in light of increasing fuel costs, and will bear them in mind when addressing this issue in Parliament.
Kind regards,
Anna
Anna Dixon MP
Member of Parliament for Shipley”
“Thank you for sharing your concerns about the ‘pay per mile’ tax on electric vehicles scheduled to come into force in 2028.
I continue to champion the move towards more sustainable and cleaner transport, both private and public. I am pleased that around a third of new cars registered last year were plug-in vehicles. However, I also understand that the driving force behind this policy is the need to generate enough revenue from road tax to maintain our road networks.
I do appreciate the points you raise on incentivising EV uptake in light of increasing fuel costs, and will bear them in mind when addressing this issue in Parliament.
Kind regards,
Anna
Anna Dixon MP
Member of Parliament for Shipley”
I still save thousands driving an EV instead of buying petrol. I am sure I can stomach the massive combined 5p a mile it will cost to run in future when I used to pay 20p+ per mile for petrol. It was always going to happen and I don't understand why people are so butthurt about this when it has been so cheap for so long. It has been spoken about for years and years before it was finally confirmed so it's hardly a shock.
The one part that I doubt they will get right is for mileage covered abroad. Still a minority of people but I tend to do 2k a year in Europe. Paying £60.00 tax for miles done outside of the country would be annoying.
The only part with EV's I don't agree with is forced legislation and removal of choice, or like in Norway etc making it so absurdly expensive to register a petrol car on the road you are essentially forced to buy an EV whether you want to or not. If you can charge at home for many people they make sense. If you cannot charge at home I wouldn't even entertain owning one. The 4 banks of closest public chargers to me have had the cables all cut off months ago and they are still out of action now. If I had to rely on those I would be driving further out and paying the equivalent of running a petrol car. That does not make sense for anybody to do no matter how much nicer they may be to drive.
The one part that I doubt they will get right is for mileage covered abroad. Still a minority of people but I tend to do 2k a year in Europe. Paying £60.00 tax for miles done outside of the country would be annoying.
The only part with EV's I don't agree with is forced legislation and removal of choice, or like in Norway etc making it so absurdly expensive to register a petrol car on the road you are essentially forced to buy an EV whether you want to or not. If you can charge at home for many people they make sense. If you cannot charge at home I wouldn't even entertain owning one. The 4 banks of closest public chargers to me have had the cables all cut off months ago and they are still out of action now. If I had to rely on those I would be driving further out and paying the equivalent of running a petrol car. That does not make sense for anybody to do no matter how much nicer they may be to drive.
Edited by Goatwidcoat on Thursday 10th September 15:19
In my message to her I also had the following paragraph, which she chose to completely ignore:-
“I average around 15000 miles a year of which approximately 10000 are in this country and 5000 in Europe. But apparently I will be paying the 3 pence a mile for the miles I drive in Europe. Again how is this fair or
reasonable?
“I average around 15000 miles a year of which approximately 10000 are in this country and 5000 in Europe. But apparently I will be paying the 3 pence a mile for the miles I drive in Europe. Again how is this fair or
reasonable?
_Rodders_ said:
It's not the cost, it's the implementation.
Would I have got a refund on the 4000 miles I did outside the UK this year? Many of which were taxed via road tolls.
Would I chuff.
Same here, I do relatively few miles in the UK now, and I did around 50% of my total mileage last year outside the country. I'm pretty annoyed about it.Would I have got a refund on the 4000 miles I did outside the UK this year? Many of which were taxed via road tolls.
Would I chuff.
Increasing VED for Ev's doesn't really solve the problem the government have. For every mile an EV drives, the government receive far less in revenues than they do for those driving petrol/diesel.
Asking AI it reckons that a Petrol vehicle doing 40mpg pays roughly 9.2p per mile in tax. An EV at off-peak charging rates is around 1p. For 10,000 miles that's £920 per year vs £100.
The 3p per mile is a way to claw back some of that loss.
Asking AI it reckons that a Petrol vehicle doing 40mpg pays roughly 9.2p per mile in tax. An EV at off-peak charging rates is around 1p. For 10,000 miles that's £920 per year vs £100.
The 3p per mile is a way to claw back some of that loss.
TheBinarySheep said:
Increasing VED for Ev's doesn't really solve the problem the government have. For every mile an EV drives, the government receive far less in revenues than they do for those driving petrol/diesel.
Asking AI it reckons that a Petrol vehicle doing 40mpg pays roughly 9.2p per mile in tax. An EV at off-peak charging rates is around 1p. For 10,000 miles that's £920 per year vs £100.
The 3p per mile is a way to claw back some of that loss.
Hopefully the 3p rate is not just the introductory rate?Asking AI it reckons that a Petrol vehicle doing 40mpg pays roughly 9.2p per mile in tax. An EV at off-peak charging rates is around 1p. For 10,000 miles that's £920 per year vs £100.
The 3p per mile is a way to claw back some of that loss.
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
I really can't see how the 3p a mile will ever work without a whole new set of telematics in every car.
Just add a % to the charging rates and let the leccy companies collect it. (Or do a flat fee)
Surely mileage correction almost impossible on EV, there's so much over the air data/telematics etc so the odometer should be reliable???? If you tried on say a Tesla I'm sure they'd bork it for you, just a hunchJust add a % to the charging rates and let the leccy companies collect it. (Or do a flat fee)
They've already outlined how it will be implemented. By declaration and up front payment, unused miles carried over if the car is sold, like the old VED with paper discs. 
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/electri...
How this will work with cars 1 and 2 yrs old, god knows. I expect it to be kicked down the road, like the watering down of the ZEV mandate.
Petrol and duty rates wouldn't stay where they are either, no matter how many hope it won't.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/electri...
How this will work with cars 1 and 2 yrs old, god knows. I expect it to be kicked down the road, like the watering down of the ZEV mandate.
Petrol and duty rates wouldn't stay where they are either, no matter how many hope it won't.
VAT on electricity bills is being cut to Zero in October, so the consumption-based tax I was paying is being taken away with one hand and replaced with another. Meh.
I would say you should definitely write to your MP about the overseas element. It is daft if there's not a solution in place for that (and it's not a difficult fix).
I would say you should definitely write to your MP about the overseas element. It is daft if there's not a solution in place for that (and it's not a difficult fix).
Zetec-S said:
Lefty said:
I'd suggest just an annual VED to cover the "lost" fuel duty would be a simpler method of taxation - although no doubt unpopular
Can't see that ever working...I don’t think there’s an easy answer
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