It should be part of the Construction & Us Regs
It should be part of the Construction & Us Regs
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Skyedriver

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23,328 posts

311 months

Yesterday (20:51)
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That light bulbs can be easily replaced at the side of the road.

Just spent an hour trying to get at the daytime running light bulb on the front of my son's Hyundai i10.
Gave up when the midgies advanced. Strip out the lower undertray panel, wriggle hand up the gap, pull of connector, rotate bulb holder and Bob's yer Uncle apparently. Except I cannot get the plug off the holder and you can't rotate the holder as the plug hits a bit of plastic before releasing.

samoht

7,209 posts

175 months

Yesterday (21:07)
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Frustrating.

Could try searching for more YT vids if you haven't already. Sometimes it's worth using Halfords, because they offer fitting for not too much extra.


In terms of legislation the US used to go further, cars were only permitted to use one of a couple of different type of headlamps. This was so that gas stations could stock replacement bulbs for motorists who needed them, and thus avoid people driving around with a light out. That's the closest thing I know of to regulating for easy replaceability. It did however end up comprehensively uglifying the faces of cars such as the DS and SD1.

To be honest I think nowadays we're not far away from all car lights being LEDs which hopefully will never need replacement. The DRLs on a new i10 already are, so a future you wouldn't face this particular challenge.


Super Sonic

14,174 posts

83 months

Yesterday (21:15)
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Agree with Skye driver on this. As for LEDs never needing replacement, I had to have the led indicator replaced on my last Civic, ridiculously expensive. One of the reasons I replaced it with a much older car.

Mr Tidy

31,267 posts

156 months

Yesterday (21:50)
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It's a bit late for that now though!

It was a world of pain when I had to change a sidelight bulb on my 2005 BMW 3 Series which involved removing half the air intake, although a tail-light only took a few minutes.

I'm not convinced LEDs are that great either. My 2007 1 Series only had 2 LEDs. They were for the number plate lights and they are the only two bulbs that failed during the 6+ years I had it!

My pet hate with lighting is cars that have DRLs but no rear lights and seemingly no Auto-lights, so you get numpties driving around in the dark with no rear lights, which is positively dangerous on unlit roads.

Construction and Use Regs should have addressed that!

Countdown

49,265 posts

225 months

Yesterday (22:01)
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samoht said:
Frustrating.

Could try searching for more YT vids if you haven't already. Sometimes it's worth using Halfords, because they offer fitting for not too much extra.
Internet says “from £11…” although I’m sure I was quoted £25 for mine.

Chuffedmonkey

997 posts

135 months

Yesterday (22:25)
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Replacing bulbs are a pain except in a Volvo V50 and id like to say most older Volvos. Pull the retaining bar up and the whole cluster comes out. Wife's Fiat 500 DRL light is a pain, full lock the front whhels in the opposite direction, remove the access hatch from the wheel arch and feel with your hands, they blow every 6 months too and thats in a car that has so much room in the engine bay.


Lincsls1

4,060 posts

169 months

Yesterday (22:38)
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To change the sidelights on a MK7 Fiesta, the whole headlight needs to be removed.
Not overly difficult, but still, just ridiculous. This is my GFs car.
Changing the bulbs on my Astra Mk6, fiddly and awkward, but at least its doable.

Lincsls1

4,060 posts

169 months

Yesterday (22:41)
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samoht said:
Frustrating.

To be honest I think nowadays we're not far away from all car lights being LEDs which hopefully will never need replacement. The DRLs on a new i10 already are, so a future you wouldn't face this particular challenge.
Sadly, LEDs most certainly do fail.

Mr Tidy

31,267 posts

156 months

Yesterday (22:43)
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Just remembered that changing a brake light on my sisters' Mini R50 involved unbolting the light cluster - not exactly practical at the side of the road!

Skyedriver

Original Poster:

23,328 posts

311 months

Yesterday (23:08)
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As mentioned above the Volvo (ours is a V70) you lift out two pegs, the entire light cluster lifts away for access to the rear.
I gave up after an hour on the i10 and I've done one before!

MattsCar

2,380 posts

134 months

I drive my Kia Ceed with dipped beam on as it stops the DRLs from being used, which are known to fail.

Cheaper to replace a bulb and probably a good tip for lots of other cars.

Smint

3,534 posts

64 months

There must be a heck of a good living out there waiting for someone refurbing LED lights, some of the more avoidable ones apparently knocking on £3000 each for the all singing/dancing headlights, with £1000 being quite normal for normal headlight units.
I recall someone reporting Jag XF's having a tendency to blow the front indicator which was built into the headlight itself, circa £1100 then.

Does anyone know of a LED repair set up?

TGTiff

496 posts

213 months

Entire front bumper and undertray hss to be removed which involves ramps and much swearing when chsnging a front bulb on a GTR!

kambites

71,445 posts

250 months

Lincsls1 said:
To change the sidelights on a MK7 Fiesta, the whole headlight needs to be removed.
Not overly difficult, but still, just ridiculous. This is my GFs car.
I actually think this is often the best designs if done well (which it often isn't). It can allow for a design where one easily accessible latch frees up access to the entire light unit, rather than having to poke around under the slam panel for a particular bulb.

Smint

3,534 posts

64 months

kambites said:
Lincsls1 said:
To change the sidelights on a MK7 Fiesta, the whole headlight needs to be removed.
Not overly difficult, but still, just ridiculous. This is my GFs car.
I actually think this is often the best designs if done well (which it often isn't). It can allow for a design where one easily accessible latch frees up access to the entire light unit, rather than having to poke around under the slam panel for a particular bulb.
This was the method on MAN trucks for years, 3 torx bolts and the entire light unit swung out on a hinge, all bulbs easy access, no reason why cars couldn't have been desiged like this.

Generally find Toyota and Subaru have easy bulb changes, last Landcruiser wasn't too bad, it was twin battery with the batteries mounted behind each headlamp unit, took 2 minutes to remove and refit a battery (glove over the disconnected live lead meant car kept continuous power) whch made bulbs the easiest change ever.
Also found Toyota/Subaru bulbs last up to 10 years, presumably decent quality OE.

Oceanrower

1,345 posts

141 months

Smint said:
glove over the disconnected live lead meant car kept continuous power
confused

RoadToad84

970 posts

63 months

Oceanrower said:
confused
Twin battery

DaveCWK

2,390 posts

203 months

samoht said:
Frustrating.

To be honest I think nowadays we're not far away from all car lights being LEDs which hopefully will never need replacement. The DRLs on a new i10 already are, so a future you wouldn't face this particular challenge.
Yeah good one haha. Automotive LED's fail loads. With the tasty bonus that they cost between 20x and 100x more to fix and replace vs a bulb. Isn't progress great.

Davie

6,192 posts

244 months

Skyedriver said:
As mentioned above the Volvo (ours is a V70) you lift out two pegs, the entire light cluster lifts away for access to the rear.
I gave up after an hour on the i10 and I've done one before!
Yup, literally 10 seconds to remove the entire unit and then replace the bulbs whilst sat at the kitchen table.

Clad-Hach

787 posts

17 months

Smint said:
There must be a heck of a good living out there waiting for someone refurbing LED lights, some of the more avoidable ones apparently knocking on £3000 each for the all singing/dancing headlights, with £1000 being quite normal for normal headlight units.
I recall someone reporting Jag XF's having a tendency to blow the front indicator which was built into the headlight itself, circa £1100 then.

Does anyone know of a LED repair set up?
The problem would be sourcing the exact LED to make the repair, these are not the same as your Aliexpress special, plus the cost of pro microscopes, hot tweezers, hot air re-work and solder stations.

I've fixed a few solar lights with a cheap hot air station, maxed out it just managed to put enough heat into the PCB to remove the surface mount LED...its not easy.