Lot of ships going down?
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lornemalvo

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5,078 posts

97 months

Sunday 13th September
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Just an observation, but there seem to be a lot of ships going down lately, another in Indonesia today.

Spare tyre

12,546 posts

159 months

Sunday 13th September
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lornemalvo said:
Just an observation, but there seem to be a lot of ships going down lately, another in Indonesia today.
Is it the algorithm feeding you? Or as you say something going on

FredericRobinson

5,031 posts

261 months

Sunday 13th September
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How many is ‘lots’?

lornemalvo

Original Poster:

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97 months

Sunday 13th September
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FredericRobinson said:
How many is lots ?
Just seems to be on the news fairly frequently lately, more than I've noticed before.

mike9009

10,833 posts

272 months

Sunday 13th September
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I reckon an algorithm has got caught against your profile. I don't seem to get any notifications or stories about ships sinking.....

https://maxdispatchservice.com/how-many-ships-sink...

No ideas for a name

3,193 posts

115 months

Sunday 13th September
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mike9009 said:
I reckon an algorithm has got caught against your profile. I don't seem to get any notifications or stories about ships sinking.....

https://maxdispatchservice.com/how-many-ships-sink...
It is happening to me also... and I don't have any feeds/profiles or accounts.

My primary news source (for right or wrong) is BBC. I am not looking for it, there does just seem to be more reports (which may or may not correlate with more ships going to the bottom).


scenario8

7,920 posts

208 months

Sunday 13th September
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The Beeb has had several incidents prominent on its pages in the last week or so.

mike9009

10,833 posts

272 months

Sunday 13th September
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No ideas for a name said:
mike9009 said:
I reckon an algorithm has got caught against your profile. I don't seem to get any notifications or stories about ships sinking.....

https://maxdispatchservice.com/how-many-ships-sink...
It is happening to me also... and I don't have any feeds/profiles or accounts.

My primary news source (for right or wrong) is BBC. I am not looking for it, there does just seem to be more reports (which may or may not correlate with more ships going to the bottom).
I have found once I have clicked one thing, I get a myriad of similar stuff appearing on my news feed.

200bhp

5,796 posts

248 months

Monday 14th September
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Courtesy of Google Gemini AI:

The perception that more ships are sinking today is mostly driven by headline visibility rather than reality.

According to long-term maritime safety data from insurers like Allianz, total annual vessel losses have dropped by roughly 60% to 75% over the past decade.

Ten years ago, the global shipping industry lost around 100 to 130 large vessels each year (about one every three days). Today, that number has fallen to under 45 ships per year (less than one per week) representing an all-time historical low, even as the global commercial fleet has grown to over 100,000 ships.

The reason it feels like disaster is everywhere comes down to modern media and emerging risks rather than actual sinkings.

High-profile incidents involving mega-ships or luxury yachts dominate news feeds and social media for weeks, while drone and missile attacks in corridors like the Red Sea create constant headlines.

At the same time, the industry is dealing with newer threats like cargo fires from misdeclared goods and lithium-ion batteries, as well as an aging, unregulated "shadow fleet."

In terms of actual hulls lost to the sea, modern satellite navigation, strict safety regulations, and improved ship design have made commercial shipping safer than ever.

ikarl

4,048 posts

228 months

Monday 14th September
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if you recently winked at your wife, the algorithm probably incorrectly assumed you were about to say "Only the best for the Captain's table"

then it obviously thought you were a captain, as such, it's now telling you about ships sinking

pretty sure that's how it works!

cliffords

4,292 posts

52 months

Monday 14th September
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200bhp said:
Courtesy of Google Gemini AI:

The perception that more ships are sinking today is mostly driven by headline visibility rather than reality.

According to long-term maritime safety data from insurers like Allianz, total annual vessel losses have dropped by roughly 60% to 75% over the past decade.

Ten years ago, the global shipping industry lost around 100 to 130 large vessels each year (about one every three days). Today, that number has fallen to under 45 ships per year (less than one per week) representing an all-time historical low, even as the global commercial fleet has grown to over 100,000 ships.

The reason it feels like disaster is everywhere comes down to modern media and emerging risks rather than actual sinkings.

High-profile incidents involving mega-ships or luxury yachts dominate news feeds and social media for weeks, while drone and missile attacks in corridors like the Red Sea create constant headlines.

At the same time, the industry is dealing with newer threats like cargo fires from misdeclared goods and lithium-ion batteries, as well as an aging, unregulated "shadow fleet."

In terms of actual hulls lost to the sea, modern satellite navigation, strict safety regulations, and improved ship design have made commercial shipping safer than ever.
I read that an due to the source, immediately disbelieve it entirely.

mike9009

10,833 posts

272 months

Monday 14th September
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Weirdly R4 this morning did a brief report on a ferry sinking. Somewhere in the far east.

Are the BBC pushing a narrative?

Tannedbaldhead

3,190 posts

161 months

Monday 14th September
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Spare tyre said:
Is it the algorithm feeding you? Or as you say something going on
I know nothing about ships but as far as my social media is concerned the world is obsessed with a baby donkey being shot by police in the USA and a forest fire just outside Positano.

My algorithm also had decided I have an obsession with the FIAT 131 Mirafiori????????

Buggered if I know where that came from but, to be fair, after clicking on all the provided links I do now.

No ideas for a name

3,193 posts

115 months

Monday 14th September
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Tannedbaldhead said:
Spare tyre said:
Is it the algorithm feeding you? Or as you say something going on
I know nothing about ships but as far as my social media is concerned the world is obsessed with a baby donkey being shot by police in the USA and a forest fire just outside Positano.

My algorithm also had decided I have an obsession with the FIAT 131 Mirafiori????????

Buggered if I know where that came from but, to be fair, after clicking on all the provided links I do now.
It strikes me as crazy that people allow their news to be delivered algorithmically.
Why not just see what it effectively broadcast rather than tailored to you as an individual.
You will just get a narrow 'news' given to you based on your interests or what someone wants you to think.

Slightly different with YouTube for instance if watching something about Hawker Hunters it might suggest you would like to see something about EE Lightnings.
News no.

Incidentally BBC has two stories about ferries today, both on the front page (both viewed from Sweden)

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8d3y111p1yo
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgykzgljlyo




Tannedbaldhead

3,190 posts

161 months

Monday 14th September
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No ideas for a name said:
Tannedbaldhead said:
Spare tyre said:
Is it the algorithm feeding you? Or as you say something going on
I know nothing about ships but as far as my social media is concerned the world is obsessed with a baby donkey being shot by police in the USA and a forest fire just outside Positano.

My algorithm also had decided I have an obsession with the FIAT 131 Mirafiori????????

Buggered if I know where that came from but, to be fair, after clicking on all the provided links I do now.
It strikes me as crazy that people allow their news to be delivered algorithmically.
Why not just see what it effectively broadcast rather than tailored to you as an individual.
You will just get a narrow 'news' given to you based on your interests or what someone wants you to think.

Slightly different with YouTube for instance if watching something about Hawker Hunters it might suggest you would like to see something about EE Lightnings.
News no.

Incidentally BBC has two stories about ferries today, both on the front page (both viewed from Sweden)

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8d3y111p1yo
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgykzgljlyo



It would be crazy to choose to receive ALL your news via algorithm driven social media. My SM news isn't chosen, It appears.
You are spot on though. 100% of your coming from an SM algorithm would leave a person with an incredibly narrow perspective.
Fortunately I watch Breakfast TV in the morning and listen to either R4 or Times Radio in my car to and from work.

No ideas for a name

3,193 posts

115 months

Monday 14th September
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Tannedbaldhead said:
It would be crazy to choose to receive ALL your news via algorithm driven social media. My SM news isn't chosen, It appears.
You are spot on though. 100% of your coming from an SM algorithm would leave a person with an incredibly narrow perspective.
Fortunately I watch Breakfast TV in the morning and listen to either R4 or Times Radio in my car to and from work.
Just for clarity, and not that I think you took it that way, but I wasn't having a go at you, or your news sources.
Just making a general point about news selectively delivered/targetted by an algorithm.

nickfrog

25,297 posts

246 months

Monday 14th September
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cliffords said:
I read that an due to the source, immediately disbelieve it entirely.
Yet it confirms precisely what the reality is based on P&I Clubs data.

Sheepshanks

40,968 posts

148 months

Monday 14th September
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lornemalvo said:
Just seems to be on the news fairly frequently lately, more than I've noticed before.
I've noticed it too - including one the other day from a Greek island on trip to Turkey that we'd briefly considered taking on a past trip.

s p a c e m a n

12,060 posts

177 months

Monday 14th September
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Google says ..

Year Total Large Vessels Lost

2025 43
2024 27
2023 26
2022 38
2021 59
2020 65
2019 72
2018 73
2017 95
2016 102

So yeah, more this year after a decline.

I think that it's just big plane pushing the narrative that ships are bad in social media because of all of the plane crashes hehe

short

13,845 posts

220 months

Monday 14th September
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Probably just a bit of Baader-Meinhof, both for people writing the articles and reading them.