Zapply, Himmense supplements etc
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If you're pushing 50 your online/social media ads are probably full of wondrous claims for these supplements and although I initially dismissed them as snake oil I just wondered if anyone on here takes them and has noticed any difference. They market themselves as a manly, testosterone boosting, energy raising supplement rather than multivitamin. I wouldn't expect miracles and Carl Froch telling me I'll wake up with a raging boner each day doesn't appeal to me, but I do find fatigue sets in quicker than it used to and I can nap at will (although it could be my shift pattern/potential long covid) but if these supplements were to make the smallest discernable difference then I'd be tempted to give them a try. Comments on the social media ads tend to be polarised between it's a load of baloney or the best thing since sliced bread. Any PH wisdom?
Edited by Toyoda on Wednesday 16th September 05:54
Snake oil pretty much. The problem with all these things is they might work but there is no trustworthy studies done on them to see if they do. Best thing you can do to support testosterone in older age is strength training and good sleep. Limit booze and dont smoke. There is some evidence that magnesium can help with sleep.
Vit D + K2 is probably something worth taking. Living in the UK we dont get a great deal of exposure to UV (especially if you are sensible about the sun and wear SPF) and there is little in food. Omega 3 if you dont like fatty fish. Creatine is worth taking, will support the strength training and there is some evidence it supports brain health too. Again not loads of evidence but they are a lot cheaper than the ones you mention,
If you are really feeling like its a struggle then best thing is to get a blood test, including hormones. Plenty of blokes go on TRT now if its low and they have symptoms (whole thread on here) and for many its life changing.
Vit D + K2 is probably something worth taking. Living in the UK we dont get a great deal of exposure to UV (especially if you are sensible about the sun and wear SPF) and there is little in food. Omega 3 if you dont like fatty fish. Creatine is worth taking, will support the strength training and there is some evidence it supports brain health too. Again not loads of evidence but they are a lot cheaper than the ones you mention,
If you are really feeling like its a struggle then best thing is to get a blood test, including hormones. Plenty of blokes go on TRT now if its low and they have symptoms (whole thread on here) and for many its life changing.
"Pushing 50"!
You poor old thing.
But seriously you really shouldn't be needing supplements of any kind at that age.
As the poster above said a good diet and keep off the booze and fags.
You did mention shift work, there have been a lot of studies done on the detrimental effects of shift working.
Maybe you need to be looking at that?
You poor old thing.
But seriously you really shouldn't be needing supplements of any kind at that age.
As the poster above said a good diet and keep off the booze and fags.
You did mention shift work, there have been a lot of studies done on the detrimental effects of shift working.
Maybe you need to be looking at that?
I'm currently reading "Make me well" by Xand van Tulleken which largely dismisses supplements as pointless unless you have a measured deficiency.
The only common deficiency is Vit D in the winter in northern climes but there's no need for mega doses, the NHS rec of (I think) 400IU daily is plenty. The years of claims that mega doses protect against a whole host of problems have been firmly debunked by many properly run studies.
All in all, an interesting and well researched book (so far).
The only common deficiency is Vit D in the winter in northern climes but there's no need for mega doses, the NHS rec of (I think) 400IU daily is plenty. The years of claims that mega doses protect against a whole host of problems have been firmly debunked by many properly run studies.
All in all, an interesting and well researched book (so far).
My wife & I have taken a suite of supplements for decades, but we get annual bloodwork done to see what can be improved. We've also got our 17yr old daughter taking some tailored supplements at certain times as well.
I'll disagree with the need to have a deficiency in order to justify taking them, as with some products, it is about improvement not just correcting deficiency.
I'm 54, and don't have any notable deficiencies. Even my testosterone is about as high as it has ever been. But we do take defined supplements largely to improve organ performance, support connective tissue, aid longevity, support lean muscle growth etc.
But, believing an instagram story is unlikely to be a path to success.
I'll disagree with the need to have a deficiency in order to justify taking them, as with some products, it is about improvement not just correcting deficiency.
I'm 54, and don't have any notable deficiencies. Even my testosterone is about as high as it has ever been. But we do take defined supplements largely to improve organ performance, support connective tissue, aid longevity, support lean muscle growth etc.
But, believing an instagram story is unlikely to be a path to success.
See it a lot on the pet side too as there's always some snake oil being pedalled for dogs that cure all sorts of things. Yeast has been the main one lately and you'll get ads with reams of ChatGPT text designed to make you feel bad and buy their stuff to fix the issue when it won't and if anything could make it worse.
I take Magnesium Glycinate before bed as especially after hikes I'd get cramp and I take Glucosamine for joints. Those to for me I do notice when I don't take them.
I take Magnesium Glycinate before bed as especially after hikes I'd get cramp and I take Glucosamine for joints. Those to for me I do notice when I don't take them.
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