Modern Cars Aren't what People want.
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Seems unlikely. A car 10 years older than the person that could be driving it.
Similar to me wanting a car from the early 70's when I passed my test.
The nannying electronics are sometimes annoying but not as annoying as getting in a car and my phone not connecting to it immediately and I'm an old fart.
When I talk to younger people about cars they mostly want a Tesla. The ones driving old Mercs and Saab's are few and far between.
What did a 1.8 Mondeo do to the gallon? 30mpg and 120hp if you were lucky.
Similar to me wanting a car from the early 70's when I passed my test.
The nannying electronics are sometimes annoying but not as annoying as getting in a car and my phone not connecting to it immediately and I'm an old fart.
When I talk to younger people about cars they mostly want a Tesla. The ones driving old Mercs and Saab's are few and far between.
What did a 1.8 Mondeo do to the gallon? 30mpg and 120hp if you were lucky.
The current method of propulsion being pushed appears to be the issue. Nobody wants a worse product outside of a few zealots who seem to spend much time posting on this site lol. Good news is the ludicrous zev mandate and other similar idiotic legislation will soon be rowed back / deleted entirely as the economic reality continues to bite.
I had a taxi fleet in 2000, the cars were all diesel Mondeos from 1998/9, we had 30 all out on hire in Manchester.
Typically we would get over 300,000 miles from each car and the only faults were cracked bumpers from bad parking and broken drivers seat frames caused by drunk people getting in the back and pulling on the seat for balance and the drivers were invariably fat, we just welded up the seat frame to one position.
No engine or gearbox problems and no rust. Has to be said that the cars engines never stopped unless they were being filled with fuel, even the red diesel that some drivers used.
There is probably a good market but not enough in terms of numbers for a relaunch, nearest equivalent is the Octavia, unique in that the long warranty includes taxi use.
Typically we would get over 300,000 miles from each car and the only faults were cracked bumpers from bad parking and broken drivers seat frames caused by drunk people getting in the back and pulling on the seat for balance and the drivers were invariably fat, we just welded up the seat frame to one position.
No engine or gearbox problems and no rust. Has to be said that the cars engines never stopped unless they were being filled with fuel, even the red diesel that some drivers used.
There is probably a good market but not enough in terms of numbers for a relaunch, nearest equivalent is the Octavia, unique in that the long warranty includes taxi use.
I've got a huge soft spot for the Mondeo, but no.
Despite what is spoken about on forums and YouTube comments, most people seem to quite like a lot of the modern conveniences and styling cues on newer vehicles. Those of us who prefer the older stuff are decidedly in the minority.
I daresay many couldn't care less about the car itself - as long as the monthlies line up and it has the toys they want, they're happy.
Despite what is spoken about on forums and YouTube comments, most people seem to quite like a lot of the modern conveniences and styling cues on newer vehicles. Those of us who prefer the older stuff are decidedly in the minority.
I daresay many couldn't care less about the car itself - as long as the monthlies line up and it has the toys they want, they're happy.
Folk are told they want SUVs by manufacturers marketing people
People see others in SUVs and they want to look the same, only in a bigger SUV
Manufacturers cut out the other ranges to make more SUVs
People see only SUVs for sale and have to buy one if they want a new car.
People struggle to drive SUVs but don't care as it's just a means of transport and like sheep they follow the one in front.
People struggle to park SUVs but don't care as they've no pride in their driving and parking skills anymore and they're too big anyway so what the hell I'll dump it here.
People see others in SUVs and they want to look the same, only in a bigger SUV
Manufacturers cut out the other ranges to make more SUVs
People see only SUVs for sale and have to buy one if they want a new car.
People struggle to drive SUVs but don't care as it's just a means of transport and like sheep they follow the one in front.
People struggle to park SUVs but don't care as they've no pride in their driving and parking skills anymore and they're too big anyway so what the hell I'll dump it here.
otolith said:
If that's what people were buying, that's what they'd be selling.
It wouldn't be legal to sell it.It would have to be full of air bag and side impact protection, massive A pillars so your view is obstructed, emissions filters that turn reliable cars into cars that break down like British Leyland vehicles from their worst era, driver assist, turbos. No handbrake, no switches. You're constantly looking at a screen instead of the road.
I really don't think people want that stuff, and the healthy market in 15yo cars suggests I might be right.
Mind you, I'm clearly not - there's a pretty emphatic 'No' to my question.
(And it's what I wanted. The nearest I could find was a Dacia Jogger which was the size on an old Astra inside AFAICT. I ended up with an SUV which is an inverse tardis.)
Edited by BikeBikeBIke on Saturday 19th September 19:54
_Rodders_ said:
Seems unlikely. A car 10 years older than the person that could be driving it.
Similar to me wanting a car from the early 70's when I passed my test.
The nannying electronics are sometimes annoying but not as annoying as getting in a car and my phone not connecting to it immediately and I'm an old fart.
When I talk to younger people about cars they mostly want a Tesla. The ones driving old Mercs and Saab's are few and far between.
What did a 1.8 Mondeo do to the gallon? 30mpg and 120hp if you were lucky.
£100 on an aftermarket radio would sort out the phone. Choice of touchscreen or buttons. Similar to me wanting a car from the early 70's when I passed my test.
The nannying electronics are sometimes annoying but not as annoying as getting in a car and my phone not connecting to it immediately and I'm an old fart.
When I talk to younger people about cars they mostly want a Tesla. The ones driving old Mercs and Saab's are few and far between.
What did a 1.8 Mondeo do to the gallon? 30mpg and 120hp if you were lucky.
I wouldn't mind a new 1999 diesel Mondeo for a commuter car, but Sadiq Khan won't allow it in my area anyway.
Oh good, I was just thinking about this today.
IMVOHO.
Modern cars are. Ridiculously complicated, hugely expensive; to purchase , to repair, to run.
They are all physically too large and heavy in size for our ancient barely maintained infrastructure.
They all look very similar and s
t.
My daily runner an 11 year old Mk3 Scirocco 2.0 TDI (ancient) needed some basic repairs last week and the bill came to €1300. I remember a time you could buy a half decent car for that amount (however I am 53).
The garage that did the repairs did give it a thorough wash before I collected it, I’ve never washed it. I just get no enjoyment to do so when I’ve always taken pride in my cars. It’s just like white goods on my drive.
The only remotely attractive car I have seen for a long time is the new Renault 5, and they are bloody electric, I was thinking: ‘is this what I’ve got, to look forward to?’
Jeez I’m so glad I’ve kept hold of the Elise, which is none of the above.
IMVOHO.
Modern cars are. Ridiculously complicated, hugely expensive; to purchase , to repair, to run.
They are all physically too large and heavy in size for our ancient barely maintained infrastructure.
They all look very similar and s
t. My daily runner an 11 year old Mk3 Scirocco 2.0 TDI (ancient) needed some basic repairs last week and the bill came to €1300. I remember a time you could buy a half decent car for that amount (however I am 53).
The garage that did the repairs did give it a thorough wash before I collected it, I’ve never washed it. I just get no enjoyment to do so when I’ve always taken pride in my cars. It’s just like white goods on my drive.
The only remotely attractive car I have seen for a long time is the new Renault 5, and they are bloody electric, I was thinking: ‘is this what I’ve got, to look forward to?’
Jeez I’m so glad I’ve kept hold of the Elise, which is none of the above.
I kind of want to be the old man shouting at clouds, but I personally think EVs are fantastic things. Why on earth would you want a clattery four pot diesel or a wky 1.6 litre petrol wheezing away on your daily trudge to work when you can travel in silence with instant torque?
I’m a petrol head through-and-through but as a white-goods daily I’d say EVs with cabin pre-heat, CarPlay and high levels of safety so you and your children don’t end up mangled in a crash are exactly what the public want.
If you’ve got a bit of money to spend (or borrow) a massive SUV enables you to float over the potholed riddled excuses for roads in comfort while ensuring your family is safe when you plough your 3 tonne tank into a 1.8 litre, twenty five year old Mondeo.
Sure, they’re not making stuff for enthusiasts so much any more, but the general stuff for getting from A to B is infinitely better than the ste from the early 2000s. And I own a car from the early 2000s! And when I do have the misfortune of driving at rush hour, and see the insane way people drive when trying to get home, I’m quite happy that their cars have lots of driver aids!
ky 1.6 litre petrol wheezing away on your daily trudge to work when you can travel in silence with instant torque? I’m a petrol head through-and-through but as a white-goods daily I’d say EVs with cabin pre-heat, CarPlay and high levels of safety so you and your children don’t end up mangled in a crash are exactly what the public want.
If you’ve got a bit of money to spend (or borrow) a massive SUV enables you to float over the potholed riddled excuses for roads in comfort while ensuring your family is safe when you plough your 3 tonne tank into a 1.8 litre, twenty five year old Mondeo.
Sure, they’re not making stuff for enthusiasts so much any more, but the general stuff for getting from A to B is infinitely better than the s
te from the early 2000s. And I own a car from the early 2000s! And when I do have the misfortune of driving at rush hour, and see the insane way people drive when trying to get home, I’m quite happy that their cars have lots of driver aids! If people wanted it manufacturers would be making it. Instead 'cars' are being abandoned en masse.
That could be marketing convincing people they no longer want them.
I don't think many, or any, want the safety stuff. Or perhaps they don't notice it.
All of these cars will be truly alarming bangers, but no one cares about buyers that far down the line.
A Mondeo on 16 inch steelies will do a much better job and not cost you thousands in damage per hole.
That could be marketing convincing people they no longer want them.
I don't think many, or any, want the safety stuff. Or perhaps they don't notice it.
All of these cars will be truly alarming bangers, but no one cares about buyers that far down the line.
Crumpet said:
If you ve got a bit of money to spend (or borrow) a massive SUV enables you to float over the potholed riddled excuses for roads in comfort while ensuring your family is safe when you plough your 3 tonne tank into a 1.8 litre, twenty five year old Mondeo.
Don't really get the SUV/ pothole thing. You're in something a ton heavier which'll likely have rubber band tyres. A Mondeo on 16 inch steelies will do a much better job and not cost you thousands in damage per hole.
I drove a modern car - Kia ceed - (kind of ford focus sized thing) last couple of days. Petrol engine.
Engine sounded like a piece of crap, and was incredibly flat. Like, just pathetic. More revs didn’t help. Less revs didn’t help. Steering was light and awful. The engine made it horrible to drive.
Engine sounded like a piece of crap, and was incredibly flat. Like, just pathetic. More revs didn’t help. Less revs didn’t help. Steering was light and awful. The engine made it horrible to drive.
Jim H said:
Oh good, I was just thinking about this today.
IMVOHO.
Modern cars are. Ridiculously complicated, hugely expensive; to purchase , to repair, to run.
They are all physically too large and heavy in size for our ancient barely maintained infrastructure.
They all look very similar and st.
My daily runner an 11 year old Mk3 Scirocco 2.0 TDI (ancient) needed some basic repairs last week and the bill came to 1300. I remember a time you could buy a half decent car for that amount (however I am 53).
The garage that did the repairs did give it a thorough wash before I collected it, I ve never washed it. I just get no enjoyment to do so when I ve always taken pride in my cars. It s just like white goods on my drive.
The only remotely attractive car I have seen for a long time is the new Renault 5, and they are bloody electric, I was thinking: is this what I ve got, to look forward to?
Jeez I m so glad I ve kept hold of the Elise, which is none of the above.
I was about to ask what you were doing on a motoring forum, then I read the last line. IMVOHO.
Modern cars are. Ridiculously complicated, hugely expensive; to purchase , to repair, to run.
They are all physically too large and heavy in size for our ancient barely maintained infrastructure.
They all look very similar and s
t. My daily runner an 11 year old Mk3 Scirocco 2.0 TDI (ancient) needed some basic repairs last week and the bill came to 1300. I remember a time you could buy a half decent car for that amount (however I am 53).
The garage that did the repairs did give it a thorough wash before I collected it, I ve never washed it. I just get no enjoyment to do so when I ve always taken pride in my cars. It s just like white goods on my drive.
The only remotely attractive car I have seen for a long time is the new Renault 5, and they are bloody electric, I was thinking: is this what I ve got, to look forward to?
Jeez I m so glad I ve kept hold of the Elise, which is none of the above.
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