Young people aren't snowflakes - mental distress is rising..
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...says head of official review
bbc said:
Accusations that the young are a snowflake generation are wrong, the head of an independent review into mental health, ADHD and autism has told the BBC.
Prof Peter Fonagy said in an exclusive interview that there had been a real rise in mental distress among children and young people, with anxiety, depression, self-harm and eating disorders the most common.
He said it was "harder to be young" now given the economic and employment uncertainty young people face, coupled with the challenges presented by social media.
His review was ordered nine months ago by Wes Streeting after the then-health secretary claimed in an interview that young people were over-diagnosed and "written off".
Link: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqzrz0z4plk1oProf Peter Fonagy said in an exclusive interview that there had been a real rise in mental distress among children and young people, with anxiety, depression, self-harm and eating disorders the most common.
He said it was "harder to be young" now given the economic and employment uncertainty young people face, coupled with the challenges presented by social media.
His review was ordered nine months ago by Wes Streeting after the then-health secretary claimed in an interview that young people were over-diagnosed and "written off".
Angry older people complaining that "things aren't what they were in the old days" probably doesn't help. That isn't a joke - it's ironic that they are even called "snowflakes" by some people who seem to moan about pretty much everything.
I do also think that internet, phones and 24/7 communication doesn't help. Fake news/AI risks making it worse too.
I do also think that internet, phones and 24/7 communication doesn't help. Fake news/AI risks making it worse too.
As a parent to two teens we are seeing all kinds of problems which simply did not exist when my wife and I were at that age.
Yes, childhood these days seems to build less resilience than it used to, but there are huge challenges for kids today, and with AI likely to scupper the job prospects for many I don't see it getting any better.
Yes, childhood these days seems to build less resilience than it used to, but there are huge challenges for kids today, and with AI likely to scupper the job prospects for many I don't see it getting any better.
Saw an interesting programme the other day about the young people entering into parliament and how they were finding themselves to be curiosities and the more aged elected representatives were muttering about these people in Government with no experience of life so how could they be taken seriously. One of these young elected representatives then made the observation that much of the debate and discussion in parliament was on issues it was obvious the more mature members neither understood, had little involvement or experience of and in may ways simply didn't affect their lives or the lives of people of a similar age to them. It put a new perspective on what 'experience' means - it's not just years of life but navigating whats around you. In that regard the young elected representatives had way more 'experience' than the majority of the older representatives snivelling at them and scoffing at lack of resilience.
I'm so grateful to have grown up in the 1970's and 80's - I'd hate to be a pre-teen today looking forward to being bombarded by social media influence and if you made it through that, the prospect of heading into the workforce massively in debt with no assurance at all of getting a good or stable job, unlikely to be able to save to afford a house and beyond that working deep into your 70's before you reach a (not final salary) pension.
Is it any wonder that more younger people than ever before struggle to see the point in it all?
I'm so grateful to have grown up in the 1970's and 80's - I'd hate to be a pre-teen today looking forward to being bombarded by social media influence and if you made it through that, the prospect of heading into the workforce massively in debt with no assurance at all of getting a good or stable job, unlikely to be able to save to afford a house and beyond that working deep into your 70's before you reach a (not final salary) pension.
Is it any wonder that more younger people than ever before struggle to see the point in it all?
A rant from a "boomer"!!!
Why are we apolgising for these snowflakes?
Why, because their parents were also mollycoddled and took no responsability... and they get unjustified amounts of money thrown at them for seemingly imagined reasons....
I grew up in the early 50s and 60s, we went out in the morning and returned when it was getting dark or when we were hungry.
We fell off our bikes, fell out of trees, climbed hills, fell into bogs and the local copper gave us a thick ear if we were caught scrumping...stood in queues in the freezing rain to get the rationed orange juice for our younger sisters/brothers etc etc etc
We went into the forces and were screamed at by mental midgets with stripes (and probably PTSD from wars). We didn't and couldn't run to our parents and complain as we'd have got another thick ear.
We did our training, apprenticeship, uni and got on with life, knowing that our hard, and sometimes unjust, upbringing would stand us in good stead, which it did and does. and are now insultingly called "boomers" by overprivileged social.service hand-out reliant weaklings.....
We certainly do not and probably cannot understand a lot of the youth today, probably because they are told by weak spinless socialist schools that they're something special! Which they are not!, realistically they are only the latest cannonfodder for wars, industry and life..
so get a f+ing grip and face up to your responsabilities and stop f+ing complaining!!!
Why are we apolgising for these snowflakes?
Why, because their parents were also mollycoddled and took no responsability... and they get unjustified amounts of money thrown at them for seemingly imagined reasons....
I grew up in the early 50s and 60s, we went out in the morning and returned when it was getting dark or when we were hungry.
We fell off our bikes, fell out of trees, climbed hills, fell into bogs and the local copper gave us a thick ear if we were caught scrumping...stood in queues in the freezing rain to get the rationed orange juice for our younger sisters/brothers etc etc etc
We went into the forces and were screamed at by mental midgets with stripes (and probably PTSD from wars). We didn't and couldn't run to our parents and complain as we'd have got another thick ear.
We did our training, apprenticeship, uni and got on with life, knowing that our hard, and sometimes unjust, upbringing would stand us in good stead, which it did and does. and are now insultingly called "boomers" by overprivileged social.service hand-out reliant weaklings.....
We certainly do not and probably cannot understand a lot of the youth today, probably because they are told by weak spinless socialist schools that they're something special! Which they are not!, realistically they are only the latest cannonfodder for wars, industry and life..
so get a f+ing grip and face up to your responsabilities and stop f+ing complaining!!!
JMGS4 said:
A rant from a "boomer"!!!
Why are we apolgising for these snowflakes?
Why, because their parents were also mollycoddled and took no responsability... and they get unjustified amounts of money thrown at them for seemingly imagined reasons....
I grew up in the early 50s and 60s, we went out in the morning and returned when it was getting dark or when we were hungry.
We fell off our bikes, fell out of trees, climbed hills, fell into bogs and the local copper gave us a thick ear if we were caught scrumping...stood in queues in the freezing rain to get the rationed orange juice for our younger sisters/brothers etc etc etc
We went into the forces and were screamed at by mental midgets with stripes (and probably PTSD from wars). We didn't and couldn't run to our parents and complain as we'd have got another thick ear.
We did our training, apprenticeship, uni and got on with life, knowing that our hard, and sometimes unjust, upbringing would stand us in good stead, which it did and does. and are now insultingly called "boomers" by overprivileged social.service hand-out reliant weaklings.....
We certainly do not and probably cannot understand a lot of the youth today, probably because they are told by weak spinless socialist schools that they're something special! Which they are not!, realistically they are only the latest cannonfodder for wars, industry and life..
so get a f+ing grip and face up to your responsabilities and stop f+ing complaining!!!
Well I ll certainly give you credit for announcing at the start it was a rant.Why are we apolgising for these snowflakes?
Why, because their parents were also mollycoddled and took no responsability... and they get unjustified amounts of money thrown at them for seemingly imagined reasons....
I grew up in the early 50s and 60s, we went out in the morning and returned when it was getting dark or when we were hungry.
We fell off our bikes, fell out of trees, climbed hills, fell into bogs and the local copper gave us a thick ear if we were caught scrumping...stood in queues in the freezing rain to get the rationed orange juice for our younger sisters/brothers etc etc etc
We went into the forces and were screamed at by mental midgets with stripes (and probably PTSD from wars). We didn't and couldn't run to our parents and complain as we'd have got another thick ear.
We did our training, apprenticeship, uni and got on with life, knowing that our hard, and sometimes unjust, upbringing would stand us in good stead, which it did and does. and are now insultingly called "boomers" by overprivileged social.service hand-out reliant weaklings.....
We certainly do not and probably cannot understand a lot of the youth today, probably because they are told by weak spinless socialist schools that they're something special! Which they are not!, realistically they are only the latest cannonfodder for wars, industry and life..
so get a f+ing grip and face up to your responsabilities and stop f+ing complaining!!!
But that s about it.
As for boomer , firstly you will obviously know the origin of the word, and secondly you will know that in the western world at least, it s been widely shown that boomers have had the easiest ride of any recent generation.
(I m Gen X, and I certainly have had an easier ride [house prices, employment opportunities, no uni fees etc] than the current generation, my daughter and nephews have had and are having a difficult time, absence from f2f teaching during covid at a critical stage in their lives being just one of them).
I ll leave you to go shout at clouds.
Edited by ChevronB19 on Monday 21st September 09:18
miniman said:
_Rodders_ said:
And social media really is a cancer.
Ironic that you chose social media to announce this view. It is just a place for anachronistic men to argue about things nobody else cares about.
I really wouldn't want to be under the age of 25 these days for all of the reasons already listed.
Before mobile phones inflicted 24/7 social media upon everyone you could to a large extent go through your teenage years in blissful ignorance of what a s
tshow the world was actually like. Now it's much harder to ignore the constant negativity about how the world is going down the toilet and understandably people are suffering.
Before mobile phones inflicted 24/7 social media upon everyone you could to a large extent go through your teenage years in blissful ignorance of what a s
tshow the world was actually like. Now it's much harder to ignore the constant negativity about how the world is going down the toilet and understandably people are suffering. I find it a place for largely balanced opinion and discussion, getting upset and angry about other people's view is a result of molly idling and not being prepared to see others opinions, which is why we are here.
Modern kids are too easy to jump on a wagon, especially mentally.
But is that their fault . No, it is being made to easy for them by liberal media like this garbage, leftist politics for 30 years and education teaching them they are snowflake when they are not, it's just a result of decades of governmental, and media mismanagement.
Modern kids are too easy to jump on a wagon, especially mentally.
But is that their fault . No, it is being made to easy for them by liberal media like this garbage, leftist politics for 30 years and education teaching them they are snowflake when they are not, it's just a result of decades of governmental, and media mismanagement.
It has always been the case that every generation is different from the one before and for the ones one step removed and beyond the youngest generation has always looked odd. Whether thats something as simple as the "infernal racket of pop music" in the 60s which the pre war generations couldnt understand or computer games in the 80s, raves in the 90s, or social media today whatever.
We just need to stop with this judging of other generations other than ours and recognise that its just a different way of life. We can either try and recognise that and help where we can or become part of the problem for them.
We just need to stop with this judging of other generations other than ours and recognise that its just a different way of life. We can either try and recognise that and help where we can or become part of the problem for them.
JMGS4 said:
A rant from a "boomer"!!!
Why are we apolgising for these snowflakes?
Why, because their parents were also mollycoddled and took no responsability... and they get unjustified amounts of money thrown at them for seemingly imagined reasons....
I grew up in the early 50s and 60s, we went out in the morning and returned when it was getting dark or when we were hungry.
We fell off our bikes, fell out of trees, climbed hills, fell into bogs and the local copper gave us a thick ear if we were caught scrumping...stood in queues in the freezing rain to get the rationed orange juice for our younger sisters/brothers etc etc etc
We went into the forces and were screamed at by mental midgets with stripes (and probably PTSD from wars). We didn't and couldn't run to our parents and complain as we'd have got another thick ear.
We did our training, apprenticeship, uni and got on with life, knowing that our hard, and sometimes unjust, upbringing would stand us in good stead, which it did and does. and are now insultingly called "boomers" by overprivileged social.service hand-out reliant weaklings.....
We certainly do not and probably cannot understand a lot of the youth today, probably because they are told by weak spinless socialist schools that they're something special! Which they are not!, realistically they are only the latest cannonfodder for wars, industry and life..
so get a f+ing grip and face up to your responsabilities and stop f+ing complaining!!!
All the young people I know are much more positive and cheerful than this self proclaimed 'boomer' why can't old people just cheer up and enjoy life without all this bitterness?Why are we apolgising for these snowflakes?
Why, because their parents were also mollycoddled and took no responsability... and they get unjustified amounts of money thrown at them for seemingly imagined reasons....
I grew up in the early 50s and 60s, we went out in the morning and returned when it was getting dark or when we were hungry.
We fell off our bikes, fell out of trees, climbed hills, fell into bogs and the local copper gave us a thick ear if we were caught scrumping...stood in queues in the freezing rain to get the rationed orange juice for our younger sisters/brothers etc etc etc
We went into the forces and were screamed at by mental midgets with stripes (and probably PTSD from wars). We didn't and couldn't run to our parents and complain as we'd have got another thick ear.
We did our training, apprenticeship, uni and got on with life, knowing that our hard, and sometimes unjust, upbringing would stand us in good stead, which it did and does. and are now insultingly called "boomers" by overprivileged social.service hand-out reliant weaklings.....
We certainly do not and probably cannot understand a lot of the youth today, probably because they are told by weak spinless socialist schools that they're something special! Which they are not!, realistically they are only the latest cannonfodder for wars, industry and life..
so get a f+ing grip and face up to your responsabilities and stop f+ing complaining!!!
miniman said:
_Rodders_ said:
And social media really is a cancer.
Ironic that you chose social media to announce this view. But I'm as addicted as most people are.
Like many other "issues" the "mental health" has become self perpetuating. It also relates to a softened society where competition was removed and failure was never included with prizes for everyone. We also have a welfare system that is a career choice. All in all we can thank Mr Blair for laying the foundations of such a beautiful utopia.
JMGS4 said:
A rant from a "boomer"!!!
Why are we apolgising for these snowflakes?
Why, because their parents were also mollycoddled and took no responsability... and they get unjustified amounts of money thrown at them for seemingly imagined reasons....
I grew up in the early 50s and 60s, we went out in the morning and returned when it was getting dark or when we were hungry.
We fell off our bikes, fell out of trees, climbed hills, fell into bogs and the local copper gave us a thick ear if we were caught scrumping...stood in queues in the freezing rain to get the rationed orange juice for our younger sisters/brothers etc etc etc
We went into the forces and were screamed at by mental midgets with stripes (and probably PTSD from wars). We didn't and couldn't run to our parents and complain as we'd have got another thick ear.
We did our training, apprenticeship, uni and got on with life, knowing that our hard, and sometimes unjust, upbringing would stand us in good stead, which it did and does. and are now insultingly called "boomers" by overprivileged social.service hand-out reliant weaklings.....
We certainly do not and probably cannot understand a lot of the youth today, probably because they are told by weak spinless socialist schools that they're something special! Which they are not!, realistically they are only the latest cannonfodder for wars, industry and life..
so get a f+ing grip and face up to your responsabilities and stop f+ing complaining!!!
...and played on a slide like this in my local park, growing up!Why are we apolgising for these snowflakes?
Why, because their parents were also mollycoddled and took no responsability... and they get unjustified amounts of money thrown at them for seemingly imagined reasons....
I grew up in the early 50s and 60s, we went out in the morning and returned when it was getting dark or when we were hungry.
We fell off our bikes, fell out of trees, climbed hills, fell into bogs and the local copper gave us a thick ear if we were caught scrumping...stood in queues in the freezing rain to get the rationed orange juice for our younger sisters/brothers etc etc etc
We went into the forces and were screamed at by mental midgets with stripes (and probably PTSD from wars). We didn't and couldn't run to our parents and complain as we'd have got another thick ear.
We did our training, apprenticeship, uni and got on with life, knowing that our hard, and sometimes unjust, upbringing would stand us in good stead, which it did and does. and are now insultingly called "boomers" by overprivileged social.service hand-out reliant weaklings.....
We certainly do not and probably cannot understand a lot of the youth today, probably because they are told by weak spinless socialist schools that they're something special! Which they are not!, realistically they are only the latest cannonfodder for wars, industry and life..
so get a f+ing grip and face up to your responsabilities and stop f+ing complaining!!!
miniman said:
_Rodders_ said:
And social media really is a cancer.
Ironic that you chose social media to announce this view. The advice I would try to give is there is always someone doing better and worse. People probably look at me and wish they had what I had - I don't know. Unfortunately the human mind always seems to default to the worst option.
Triumph Man said:
miniman said:
_Rodders_ said:
And social media really is a cancer.
Ironic that you chose social media to announce this view. The advice I would try to give is there is always someone doing better and worse. People probably look at me and wish they had what I had - I don't know. Unfortunately the human mind always seems to default to the worst option.
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