RE: GM's new Duramax diesel is torquier than a Chiron
RE: GM's new Duramax diesel is torquier than a Chiron
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GM's new V8 diesel is torquier than a Chiron

8.3-litres, more than 500hp, and 17 tonnes of towing capacity - truck yeah mothertruckers 


You wouldn’t be alone in considering the United States of America like another planet sometimes. Everything seems so different that it can be hard to believe that it’s only an ocean away. And nowhere does the US seem more opposed to Europe than when it comes to diesels; over here it’s been almost ostracised in the race to electrify, while over there - with big distances to travel and big loads to haul - the oil burner still reigns supreme. 

Hence General Motors' all-new diesel engine, an 8.3-litre Duramax affectionately nicknamed the Mongoose. The numbers, predictably, are outrageous: 555hp, 1,230lb ft (!), and many tonnes of towing capacity, with nine straight out of the box and up to 17 with a gooseneck attachment. So a Duramax can tow your race car. Or 10. 

Unsurprisingly, GM claims that the Mongoose, coming to the Chevy Silverado and GMC Sierra, offers best-in-class power and torque. This is no mere evolution, either, but rather a ‘clean-sheet HD V8 designed, developed and manufactured in-house for heavy-duty pickup applications.’ In case there was any doubt about the demand that exists Stateside for absolutely enormous trucks, GM has deemed it sufficient to create an all-new diesel of more than 500 cubic inches. 

But there’s more to Mongoose than simply an ain’t-no-replacement mindset: the new 8.3 gets a fully forged crank and compacted graphite iron block for strength, a variable geometry turbo, an ‘advanced’ combustion system and high-flow fuel injection. Everything has been designed with heavy-duty use in mind, from launching weighty trailers to slowing them back down again; last thing you want with your speedboat on the back of the truck is any uncertainty. 

The transmission, a new 10-speed auto, has been designed with that logic in mind as well: ‘smoother acceleration, stronger grade performance and more confident control’ when towing are promised. It’s the same gearbox that’s hooked up to the 6.6-litre petrol V8 also offered. But then that must make do with a puny 412hp and 472lb ft, despite a new intake manifold. Wonder which Silverado offers better gas mileage? 

While it’s the diesel that will hog the headlines, it isn’t just the torque to reel in space stations that marks out the MY27 Silverado and Sierra. Electric power steering is now fitted, again designed with robust use in mind: EPAS is easier to maintain than a hydraulic setup, offers more assistance for easier maneuvering, and is assembled from sturdier hardware ‘for harsh truck environments.’ Granular feedback matters rather less than dependability when it comes to hauling, after all. GM says the new setup will help those behind the wheel ‘feel more connected, more in control and more confident behind the wheel.’

That confidence will be helped further by a new electronic brake booster, maintaining a consistent pedal feel in all conditions. Again the purists won’t like it, but it eliminates the failure points of a hydraulic system once more, offers better diagnostics and can help with assistance like adaptive cruise. Probably quite handy when there are entire states to cross. If it makes the big trucks easier with which to move big stuff, GM’s going to do it, now including new drive modes (Normal, Tow/Haul, Off-Road and Terrain) plus features like Transparent Trailer View, Trailer Side Blind Zone Alert and Automatic Emergency Braking. The latter can seem like overkill in a Mini - it’s probably quite useful here. 

“For 2027, we took GM’s proven HD validation playbook and turned up the capability — integrating new powertrain, braking, steering and chassis technologies for serious customers who push their trucks hard every day,” said Mark Dickens, whose tremendous job title is Executive Chief Engineer for GM Full Size Trucks and SUVs. “HD customers don’t hold back — and neither did we.” Hell yeah. US customers can expect the new trucks in showrooms before the year is out; those over here must of course rely on importers to enable their American dream. But if a Silverado Trailboss can make it here, surely an 8.3 diesel can as well…


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Montcoffer

Original Poster:

249 posts

223 months

Yesterday (11:02)
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Long live the diesel, can’t believe we in Europe are prepared to throw away the years of engine development, creating such efficient, powerful, clean, economical modes of transport, crazy.
Slightly biased as a Defender D250 owner 😉

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,742 posts

127 months

Yesterday (11:30)
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Pity there's no diesel around there to put in it.....

nismo48

7,026 posts

236 months

Yesterday (11:44)
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I bet that could be some hill climb weapon

mjspencer348

339 posts

4 months

Yesterday (11:50)
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While the average US and UK commuter travels similar distances (14.4 miles US vs. 8.5-10 miles UK), the average mileage driven per annum is about double (13,500-14,200 miles US vs. 7,000-7,400 miles UK). So when Americans drive out-of-town, they go a lot further. Naturally, this makes EVs problematic, with petrol still king, unless you need to haul stuff with you, then diesel gets the job done best. Anyone whose spent time in the US knows just how different we are as countries, back in the day I lived in Texas, the UK can fit inside that State 2.8 times over... big doesn't cover it.

WCZ

11,503 posts

223 months

Yesterday (12:02)
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love it

_Rodders_

4,264 posts

48 months

Yesterday (12:04)
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Not so bothered about the pickups but stick it in the Tahoe or Yukon and now we're talking.

don logan

3,965 posts

251 months

Yesterday (12:28)
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Makes my V10 Toerag seem a bit pathetic :-)

David87

7,022 posts

241 months

Yesterday (12:30)
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Montcoffer said:
efficient, powerful, clean, economical modes of transport
There is one just like this, but it sure as hell isn't diesel. biggrin

That said, I can get on board with this truck. Awesome stuff, but I think it only qualifies as powerful from the points above.

Glenn63

3,926 posts

113 months

Yesterday (14:00)
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Shirley the only suitable vehicle for towing a Caterham to the track? What a thing.

otolith

68,834 posts

233 months

Yesterday (14:14)
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An excellent agricultural/industrial vehicle, coming to an American suburban driveway soon.

nickchallis92

149 posts

115 months

Yesterday (14:17)
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God bless the USA

Mouse Rat

2,094 posts

121 months

Yesterday (14:57)
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That engine in a new land cruiser tongue out

gazza285

11,149 posts

237 months

Yesterday (15:25)
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mjspencer348 said:
While the average US and UK commuter travels similar distances (14.4 miles US vs. 8.5-10 miles UK), the average mileage driven per annum is about double (13,500-14,200 miles US vs. 7,000-7,400 miles UK). So when Americans drive out-of-town, they go a lot further. Naturally, this makes EVs problematic, with petrol still king, unless you need to haul stuff with you, then diesel gets the job done best. Anyone whose spent time in the US knows just how different we are as countries, back in the day I lived in Texas, the UK can fit inside that State 2.8 times over... big doesn't cover it.
You would think something more economical would be preferable then.

PCaluta

18 posts

Yesterday (15:59)
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gazza285 said:
You would think something more economical would be preferable then.
Currently the UK price ($9.92) is $3.39 higher than the US price ($6.53). This represents a 51.91% premium that UK drivers pay over US drivers when both are compared in US Dollars per US Gallon (and this is a time of extremely high prices for them relative to what they're used to) so it's not necessarily preferable.

HJG

662 posts

136 months

Yesterday (16:11)
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BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
Pity there's no diesel around there to put in it.....
There is, it's just that it's about £1.65 per litre right now

don logan

3,965 posts

251 months

Yesterday (16:19)
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HJG said:
There is, it's just that it's about £1.65 per litre right now
Lucky them


mjspencer348

339 posts

4 months

Yesterday (16:27)
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Don't even ask about US petrol/gas prices, then... $1.18 or £0.89 per litre, not much financial pressure to downsize there, you suspect, but their country, their rules.

Konan

2,691 posts

175 months

Yesterday (18:08)
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Glenn63 said:
Shirley the only suitable vehicle for towing a Caterham to the track? What a thing.
Why not take the Caterham factory?

CG2020UK

2,962 posts

69 months

Yesterday (18:22)
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Love it!

mjspencer348 said:
While the average US and UK commuter travels similar distances (14.4 miles US vs. 8.5-10 miles UK), the average mileage driven per annum is about double (13,500-14,200 miles US vs. 7,000-7,400 miles UK). So when Americans drive out-of-town, they go a lot further. Naturally, this makes EVs problematic, with petrol still king, unless you need to haul stuff with you, then diesel gets the job done best. Anyone whose spent time in the US knows just how different we are as countries, back in the day I lived in Texas, the UK can fit inside that State 2.8 times over... big doesn't cover it.
Spend a good bit of time in the US and it s laughable to think an EV is problematic biglaugh

Your basically double average commute distance might do more to explain the double annual mileage biglaugh


gazza285

11,149 posts

237 months

Yesterday (20:07)
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PCaluta said:
gazza285 said:
You would think something more economical would be preferable then.
Currently the UK price ($9.92) is $3.39 higher than the US price ($6.53). This represents a 51.91% premium that UK drivers pay over US drivers when both are compared in US Dollars per US Gallon (and this is a time of extremely high prices for them relative to what they're used to) so it's not necessarily preferable.
If they are doing twice the annual mileage, then that is more on fuel than the British if they were in the same vehicle, let alone an 8.3 Litre pickup.