114 Charges: The Manchester City Found Guilty Thread
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In all the football chat I've never seen the City thread so busy. Joking aside, as everyone awaits the sanctions, the situation perhaps warrants its own thread.
Difficult to work out what the correct or most appropriate punishment should be, and who knows, the appeals may even delay the matter even further but I can't see this getting near the conclusion of the current league campaign else it will get very messy.
Meanwhile, Thierry Henry has expressed his opinion:
Difficult to work out what the correct or most appropriate punishment should be, and who knows, the appeals may even delay the matter even further but I can't see this getting near the conclusion of the current league campaign else it will get very messy.
Meanwhile, Thierry Henry has expressed his opinion:
he said:
I have to be honest. If Manchester City have been found guilty of 114 charges, I don t understand how a points deduction can be enough.
If those breaches gave them an advantage, the titles won in that period have to be questioned.
For me, the Premier League titles should be stripped. The trophies should be taken away, the records corrected, and the punishment should go beyond points.
Relegation should also be considered.
This is not just about Manchester City. It is about the integrity of the competition.
If you break the rules on that scale and are found guilty, you cannot keep everything you achieved and move on after a points deduction.
Take the titles. Take the trophies. Let the records reflect what happened.
Otherwise, what message are we sending to every other club?
If those breaches gave them an advantage, the titles won in that period have to be questioned.
For me, the Premier League titles should be stripped. The trophies should be taken away, the records corrected, and the punishment should go beyond points.
Relegation should also be considered.
This is not just about Manchester City. It is about the integrity of the competition.
If you break the rules on that scale and are found guilty, you cannot keep everything you achieved and move on after a points deduction.
Take the titles. Take the trophies. Let the records reflect what happened.
Otherwise, what message are we sending to every other club?
I’ve seen a few things on the internet that the game against QPR was fixed. Was it just QPR were s
t. 
Rooney getting in the band wagon with it but he would wouldn’t he.
I would imagine the punishment would be points reduction that would result in City getting relegated. Similar to Rangers a few years ago.
t. Rooney getting in the band wagon with it but he would wouldn’t he.
I would imagine the punishment would be points reduction that would result in City getting relegated. Similar to Rangers a few years ago.
Hmm, threads is full of hate for City. You couldn’t punish them enough for their wrong doings is the general sentiment
It reminds me a little of Red bull catering budget or McLaren /Ferrari 2007.
My view is that killing the club puts normal working people at risk, coaches, cleaners, groundskeepers etc. It’s the directors who need the punishment- maybe 10 year ban from holding a similar position in football.
I’d say a ban from European competition for 10 years , that’ll stop international players wanting to be there
A one division drop
And any future prize money rescinded until £100m has been repaid maybe given to the FA or other clubs.
But they keep what they have, no opportunity for any other teams to claim compensation. There’d be no end to that.
It reminds me a little of Red bull catering budget or McLaren /Ferrari 2007.
My view is that killing the club puts normal working people at risk, coaches, cleaners, groundskeepers etc. It’s the directors who need the punishment- maybe 10 year ban from holding a similar position in football.
I’d say a ban from European competition for 10 years , that’ll stop international players wanting to be there
A one division drop
And any future prize money rescinded until £100m has been repaid maybe given to the FA or other clubs.
But they keep what they have, no opportunity for any other teams to claim compensation. There’d be no end to that.
Chairman Khaldoon Al Mubarak has reaffirmed his belief the club will prove their innocence. The process has now moved to the appeal stage. However, in a statement released shortly after the verdict, he said:
"Following Friday's media reporting, many of you will have spent your evening answering questions and responding to messages from friends, family and colleagues. So have I. Here's what I said to my family: The Premier League process still has a long way to run, and our confidence and intent in proving the club's innocence is just as strong as when this began.
"There are so many things that I would like to be able to share with you to help you understand why we feel so confident in our position. But the strict confidentiality of the legal process and our determination to respect it means I cannot do that at the moment. Even this letter underwent several legal checks to make sure it complies.
"While some people have been quick to reach their own conclusions, and there is so much noise swirling around us, nothing has changed. We have faced challenges together before and have prevailed. There remain many who want to undermine the momentum of our club. We will not give them that opportunity.
"We have some exciting moments to look forward to after this international break. We travel to Anfield in a fortnight, and then host Paris Saint-Germain in the Champions League back at Etihad Stadium - moments that give us an opportunity to celebrate the strength of the Manchester City family."
"Following Friday's media reporting, many of you will have spent your evening answering questions and responding to messages from friends, family and colleagues. So have I. Here's what I said to my family: The Premier League process still has a long way to run, and our confidence and intent in proving the club's innocence is just as strong as when this began.
"There are so many things that I would like to be able to share with you to help you understand why we feel so confident in our position. But the strict confidentiality of the legal process and our determination to respect it means I cannot do that at the moment. Even this letter underwent several legal checks to make sure it complies.
"While some people have been quick to reach their own conclusions, and there is so much noise swirling around us, nothing has changed. We have faced challenges together before and have prevailed. There remain many who want to undermine the momentum of our club. We will not give them that opportunity.
"We have some exciting moments to look forward to after this international break. We travel to Anfield in a fortnight, and then host Paris Saint-Germain in the Champions League back at Etihad Stadium - moments that give us an opportunity to celebrate the strength of the Manchester City family."
T.Henry - "...The integrity of the competition". Integrity of the Premier League? 
City have been caught out as they were the only team with their emails hacked. All other teams have had eight years to make sure they clean up. Should there have been a major fraud investigation by now if this evidence has been around for so long?
Previous punishments for other clubs have been all over the place, no consistency, points deductions, fines, slap on the wrist so who knows - force City to have Carrick as manager for two years.
City have been caught out as they were the only team with their emails hacked. All other teams have had eight years to make sure they clean up. Should there have been a major fraud investigation by now if this evidence has been around for so long?
Previous punishments for other clubs have been all over the place, no consistency, points deductions, fines, slap on the wrist so who knows - force City to have Carrick as manager for two years.
If the punishment is direct relegation or a big enough points deduction that relegation is inevitable then there's still a major hurdle to overcome.
Are the EFL willing to accept City?
Its seems a bit arrogant of the PL to say "Right, you're a cheating bunch of bar stewards who disgrace the good name of the Premier League..so off you go to the Championship".
If I were in the board room of the EFL I'd be saying "Er, hold on a minute, why the fk should we be taking your criminals into our house???"
It's not compulsory that they have to accept them.
Ironically it may take a few brown envelopes from the PL to facilitate that outcome.
Are the EFL willing to accept City?
Its seems a bit arrogant of the PL to say "Right, you're a cheating bunch of bar stewards who disgrace the good name of the Premier League..so off you go to the Championship".
If I were in the board room of the EFL I'd be saying "Er, hold on a minute, why the f
k should we be taking your criminals into our house???"It's not compulsory that they have to accept them.
Ironically it may take a few brown envelopes from the PL to facilitate that outcome.
Panamax said:
Why not? If you can show you've been damaged by somebody's cheating why should you just have to suck it up?
Because there’d be no end to it and in any case my view is that they forfeit future earnings. Also relative to your opposition you’d be no better off financially
And it’s not the clubs fault. It’s a handful of directors. That club provides work to the local community,
Jasey_ said:
Terminator X said:
Rangers got relegated to the very bottom league and had to work their way up over 4-5 years. Sounds fair to me.
TX.
Came on to pretty much say this.TX.
It's the only fair solution.
Don’t get me wrong, Man City deserve a severe punishment and not just financial although I am not sure we will see that occur anytime soon.
Maybe a transfer embargo for a few seasons, a nominal points deduction for a few seasons( enough to keep them in the PL) and a relatively, to their income, small financial penalty is what I suspect will happen.
It has to be a consequential punishment because they tried to obstruct and nullify the process at every stage, and also to act as a meaningful deterrent to others. The consequences should fall on the owners and directors, but unfortunately this means that others will also be impacted. However, the biggest issue for the Premier League is striking a balance between making the punishment fit the crime(s) and not destroying the image of the competition.
If there is a non-sporting sanction only then I think there will be a huge backlash from fans. But maybe that is what football needs, as the ridiculous amounts of money in the Premier League could not keep increasing as it has previously.
If there is a non-sporting sanction only then I think there will be a huge backlash from fans. But maybe that is what football needs, as the ridiculous amounts of money in the Premier League could not keep increasing as it has previously.
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