Manchester Airport Parking Charge Notice for drop off.
Discussion
A couple of weeks ago, we had my OH's cousin and her husband staying with us.
We picked them up and dropped them off at T2 in the drop-off zone, for which the rob-dogs at Manchester Airport Group charge. They recently introduced barrierless payment, which has been quite controversial. You have to pay for parking within 24 hours by online payment.
We paid first time, but a couple of days after they left, my OH remembered she had forgot to pay. She contacted them and explained she had forgotten to pay and they sent a late payment link. She attempted to use the link but it was dead. She contacted them and told them and got no response.
She does not say who the driver was in the correspondence; she merely states she tried to pay (and as it happens, the driver was not the registered keeper).
A couple of days ago, we got a Parking Charge Notice from APCOA.
I told her I would have a look into it, and said we might be able to appeal it on the grounds we attempted payment and they did not respond when we told them the link did not work, however, they may challenge that by saying the T&Cs stated payment within 24 hours.
Just by chance, I saw the MP for Macclesfield had posted a video of him speaking in Parliament, saying he has taken on cases for constituents who have complained about unclear signage, problems with the payment systems, and unfair payment deadlines.
Somebody commented on the post that airport drop-off zones are not 'relevant land' under the Protection of Freedoms Act, so the registered keeper cannot be held responsible for parking charges.
I have done a bit of Googling, and apparently, "Schedule 4 of PoFA explicitly excludes land under statutory control or subject to airport byelaws from being "relevant land".".
One of the first hits is this article referencing Nick Freeman's comments: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/great...
Any advice is appreciated.
We picked them up and dropped them off at T2 in the drop-off zone, for which the rob-dogs at Manchester Airport Group charge. They recently introduced barrierless payment, which has been quite controversial. You have to pay for parking within 24 hours by online payment.
We paid first time, but a couple of days after they left, my OH remembered she had forgot to pay. She contacted them and explained she had forgotten to pay and they sent a late payment link. She attempted to use the link but it was dead. She contacted them and told them and got no response.
She does not say who the driver was in the correspondence; she merely states she tried to pay (and as it happens, the driver was not the registered keeper).
A couple of days ago, we got a Parking Charge Notice from APCOA.
I told her I would have a look into it, and said we might be able to appeal it on the grounds we attempted payment and they did not respond when we told them the link did not work, however, they may challenge that by saying the T&Cs stated payment within 24 hours.
Just by chance, I saw the MP for Macclesfield had posted a video of him speaking in Parliament, saying he has taken on cases for constituents who have complained about unclear signage, problems with the payment systems, and unfair payment deadlines.
Somebody commented on the post that airport drop-off zones are not 'relevant land' under the Protection of Freedoms Act, so the registered keeper cannot be held responsible for parking charges.
I have done a bit of Googling, and apparently, "Schedule 4 of PoFA explicitly excludes land under statutory control or subject to airport byelaws from being "relevant land".".
One of the first hits is this article referencing Nick Freeman's comments: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/great...
Any advice is appreciated.
Ganglandboss said:
A couple of weeks ago, we had my OH's cousin and her husband staying with us.
We picked them up and dropped them off at T2 in the drop-off zone, for which the rob-dogs at Manchester Airport Group charge. They recently introduced barrierless payment, which has been quite controversial. You have to pay for parking within 24 hours by online payment.
We paid first time, but a couple of days after they left, my OH remembered she had forgot to pay. She contacted them and explained she had forgotten to pay and they sent a late payment link. She attempted to use the link but it was dead. She contacted them and told them and got no response.
She does not say who the driver was in the correspondence; she merely states she tried to pay (and as it happens, the driver was not the registered keeper).
A couple of days ago, we got a Parking Charge Notice from APCOA.
I told her I would have a look into it, and said we might be able to appeal it on the grounds we attempted payment and they did not respond when we told them the link did not work, however, they may challenge that by saying the T&Cs stated payment within 24 hours.
Just by chance, I saw the MP for Macclesfield had posted a video of him speaking in Parliament, saying he has taken on cases for constituents who have complained about unclear signage, problems with the payment systems, and unfair payment deadlines.
Somebody commented on the post that airport drop-off zones are not 'relevant land' under the Protection of Freedoms Act, so the registered keeper cannot be held responsible for parking charges.
I have done a bit of Googling, and apparently, "Schedule 4 of PoFA explicitly excludes land under statutory control or subject to airport byelaws from being "relevant land".".
One of the first hits is this article referencing Nick Freeman's comments: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/great...
Any advice is appreciated.
If you're going to challenge it on the pedantic (but perfectly valid and legal loophole) of refusing to name the driver and the RK being not liable for something they can't prove they did, it would be worth clarifying (doesn't need to be here - could be in your own mind) which one of you did what (driving the car, paying the first time, appealing the decision. AFAIK it is not normally possible for two people to simultaneously drive a car; the RK is a single name (can't be joint names), and typical online payment methods eg personal credit/debit cards are issued individually, with their own unique number, and a single name on them.We picked them up and dropped them off at T2 in the drop-off zone, for which the rob-dogs at Manchester Airport Group charge. They recently introduced barrierless payment, which has been quite controversial. You have to pay for parking within 24 hours by online payment.
We paid first time, but a couple of days after they left, my OH remembered she had forgot to pay. She contacted them and explained she had forgotten to pay and they sent a late payment link. She attempted to use the link but it was dead. She contacted them and told them and got no response.
She does not say who the driver was in the correspondence; she merely states she tried to pay (and as it happens, the driver was not the registered keeper).
A couple of days ago, we got a Parking Charge Notice from APCOA.
I told her I would have a look into it, and said we might be able to appeal it on the grounds we attempted payment and they did not respond when we told them the link did not work, however, they may challenge that by saying the T&Cs stated payment within 24 hours.
Just by chance, I saw the MP for Macclesfield had posted a video of him speaking in Parliament, saying he has taken on cases for constituents who have complained about unclear signage, problems with the payment systems, and unfair payment deadlines.
Somebody commented on the post that airport drop-off zones are not 'relevant land' under the Protection of Freedoms Act, so the registered keeper cannot be held responsible for parking charges.
I have done a bit of Googling, and apparently, "Schedule 4 of PoFA explicitly excludes land under statutory control or subject to airport byelaws from being "relevant land".".
One of the first hits is this article referencing Nick Freeman's comments: https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/great...
Any advice is appreciated.
But yes, the jist of is it right, its not "relevant land" so the RK is not able to be held liable; and does not have to name the driver, even if its himself (or herself).
Nicetobenice said:
If you appeal as the keeper and make the relevant points the appeal will be upheld.
It definitely works.
Yes, airports are not "relevant land" under the POFA so you are not required to identify the driver. Plus there is no way to read the terms and conditions before entering the drop off zone. The airports and their parking operators know this.It definitely works.
Parking legislation needs updating, it is way out of sync with the most recent traps set by parking companies.
There should always be a means of payment at the time and if not then a notices must be served on the RK before any fine can be imposed.
This "Remember" to pay needs to stop. More and more places are doing it.
Payment by mobile phone ONLY needs to go, there should always be a way to pay at the time by cash.
The government are miles behind on this.
It took 20 years to get clamping banned!
There should always be a means of payment at the time and if not then a notices must be served on the RK before any fine can be imposed.
This "Remember" to pay needs to stop. More and more places are doing it.
Payment by mobile phone ONLY needs to go, there should always be a way to pay at the time by cash.
The government are miles behind on this.
It took 20 years to get clamping banned!
The "remember" to pay can be done well though.
Eg dart charge always give you a free go if you forget (once per vehicle number plate at least)
And the pay immediately? Dartford is much nicer without the toll booths, and cash is expensive (and at risk of theft) to allow to build up in a machine and be emptied by someone.
The cost savings with online payment have helped keep parking charges down.
Note this has nothing to do with the op's point- I don't like airport fees and will use the free bus at Gatwick instead. But they charge because they have an asset they can moneterise, just like football clubs or anything else where entry can be controlled.
Eg dart charge always give you a free go if you forget (once per vehicle number plate at least)
And the pay immediately? Dartford is much nicer without the toll booths, and cash is expensive (and at risk of theft) to allow to build up in a machine and be emptied by someone.
The cost savings with online payment have helped keep parking charges down.
Note this has nothing to do with the op's point- I don't like airport fees and will use the free bus at Gatwick instead. But they charge because they have an asset they can moneterise, just like football clubs or anything else where entry can be controlled.
Ian Geary said:
The "remember" to pay can be done well though.
Eg dart charge always give you a free go if you forget (once per vehicle number plate at least)
And the pay immediately? Dartford is much nicer without the toll booths, and cash is expensive (and at risk of theft) to allow to build up in a machine and be emptied by someone.
The cost savings with online payment have helped keep parking charges down.
Note this has nothing to do with the op's point- I don't like airport fees and will use the free bus at Gatwick instead. But they charge because they have an asset they can moneterise, just like football clubs or anything else where entry can be controlled.
I had no real issue with the airport drop off until they were completely unreasonable about a situation. Since then I've not paid once and won't do so until they change the law.Eg dart charge always give you a free go if you forget (once per vehicle number plate at least)
And the pay immediately? Dartford is much nicer without the toll booths, and cash is expensive (and at risk of theft) to allow to build up in a machine and be emptied by someone.
The cost savings with online payment have helped keep parking charges down.
Note this has nothing to do with the op's point- I don't like airport fees and will use the free bus at Gatwick instead. But they charge because they have an asset they can moneterise, just like football clubs or anything else where entry can be controlled.
Nicetobenice said:
I had no real issue with the airport drop off until they were completely unreasonable about a situation. Since then I've not paid once and won't do so until they change the law.
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