RE: New Horse V8 confirmed for Lotus supercar
RE: New Horse V8 confirmed for Lotus supercar
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New Horse V8 confirmed for Lotus supercar

Type 135 will get Horse's first eight-cylinder engine, plus a new dual-clutch - and at least 680hp...


Even in the good times, confirmation of a new V8 engine would be quite exciting. In a world where we’re meant to be giddy about inverters, battery chemistry and regen, it’s borderline exhilarating. And that’s what we have right here: the W40 is the first eight-cylinder unit from Horse Powertrain, a 4.0-litre twin-turbo V8 designed to work with the company’s new 8LDCT dual-clutch. 

The news gets better, too, as the hot-V W40 has been confirmed as the engine for the Lotus Type 135 supercar. It sounds an ideal fit, weighing 200kg and offering maximum outputs of more than 679hp (500kW) and 590lb ft. Horse has developed this new V8 with electrification in mind, the design ‘optimised for high-performance hybrid vehicle platforms.’ In the modern supercar fashion, it seems likely that the Type 135 will have a bit of battery boost somewhere - heaven forbid a new exotic goes on sale with less than 700hp - but those details haven’t been confirmed yet. The dual clutch, which can shift in 20 milliseconds, is rated for up to 774lb ft, so the hardware is certainly capable of handling more.

There’s plenty to the W40 to be eager about, too, from ‘extensive lightweighting techniques’ to a shortened intake path for the brace of blowers. Even without a hybrid helping hand, it should be a responsive 4.0, with ‘unparalleled power and torque density’ promised. This capacity has become the go-to size for a V8 of late, with a nice round 500cc for each cylinder  - think about the AMG and Audi/Porsche/Lambo equivalent - so it’ll be interesting to see how Horsepower (sorry) compares. 

CEO Matias Giannini has called the V8 “another landmark achievement” for the company. Certainly it’s a bit more interesting than yet another four-pot. Lotus CEO Feng Qingfeng added: “We are excited to partner with Horse Powertrain to bring its advanced V8 engine and hybrid transmission technology to the upcoming Lotus Type 135. The Horse W40 V8 engine and 8LDCT hybrid transmission represent significant advances in powertrain engineering, combining exceptional power and torque density with a highly integrated design. By bringing these technologies together with Lotus’ expertise in lightweight engineering and chassis dynamics, we aim to deliver a new generation of supercar performance, combining outstanding power, efficiency, and the precise, engaging driving experience that defines Lotus.” With electric having not really worked and the old V6 not special enough for a flagship, this new 4.0-litre sounds like an ideal fit for a Hethel hypercar - over to you, Lotus…


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FlukePlay

Original Poster:

1,199 posts

176 months

Yesterday (11:52)
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Hopefully a worthy successor to the Esprit. Go on, do us proud!

Noe

120 posts

314 months

Yesterday (11:55)
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Just stick a miscellaneous GBP 500k basic price and count it as done. Lovely. Hmmm

ntiz

2,693 posts

167 months

Yesterday (12:10)
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Noe said:
Just stick a miscellaneous GBP 500k basic price and count it as done. Lovely. Hmmm
This is my fear, if a 4 pot Emira is nudging 150k what are they going to want for this?

I m not sure Lotus have the brand to carry that kind of price tag against the usual suspects. Maserati, McLaren, Aston Martin etc aren t exactly flying out of the door.

Otherwise the actual product sounds exciting!

350Matt

3,913 posts

310 months

Yesterday (12:14)
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200kg for a 4 ltr V8 sounds pretty hefty to me as I'll bet that doesn't include all the whoosher hardware ( intercooler pipework etc etc)
so this will be yet another 'fat' supercar of 1600-1700 kg
sigh


this will be a direct competitor to a Mclaren won't it ?so it will have to compete on price

Bluehorseshoe

264 posts

6 months

Yesterday (12:28)
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If its 150k car it might sell if its a 500k car then Mclateb Ferrari Lambo have thst market even at 250k its base mclsren ferarri money an gt3 porsche etc. I just feel lotus is like the old tvr is an entry super car not an established one

GeniusOfLove

5,900 posts

43 months

Yesterday (12:43)
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Given where we are with combustion engines this may seem a bit churlish but...

Another 4.0 hot-v turbo V8 that'll deliver it's power with all the charisma of a slightly faulty electric motor and the same blurry flatulent blaring sound track as every other 4.0 turbo V8. All ready for installation into another 1.8 ton "sports car".

Hurrah, I suppose?

NGK210

5,142 posts

176 months

Yesterday (12:47)
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Is it going to have a new / bespoke monocoque or a version of the Emira's, with the rear-end rejigged for a longitudinal layout?

If the latter, then shurley there's no reason on Earth why it should cost more than a 296 GTB, is there..?

ThomW

1,972 posts

59 months

Yesterday (12:57)
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350Matt said:
200kg for a 4 ltr V8 sounds pretty hefty to me as I'll bet that doesn't include all the whoosher hardware ( intercooler pipework etc etc)
so this will be yet another 'fat' supercar of 1600-1700 kg
sigh


this will be a direct competitor to a Mclaren won't it ?so it will have to compete on price
The McLaren 4.0 litre V8tt weighs 185kg, the Lambo/Audi/Porsche 4.0 litre V8tt weighs 230kg. So this is bang on weight-wise.

SDK

3,750 posts

284 months

Yesterday (13:00)
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Lotus struggled to sell new Elise's at below £30k decades ago...lots of 'fans' online, but not many buyers!

Olivera

8,839 posts

270 months

Yesterday (13:06)
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Promising, as long as working on it isn't a mare.

5lab

1,947 posts

227 months

Yesterday (13:25)
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GeniusOfLove said:
Given where we are with combustion engines this may seem a bit churlish but...

Another 4.0 hot-v turbo V8 that'll deliver it's power with all the charisma of a slightly faulty electric motor and the same blurry flatulent blaring sound track as every other 4.0 turbo V8. All ready for installation into another 1.8 ton "sports car".

Hurrah, I suppose?
I mean lotus already make a slightly smaller, 400kg lighter car with a fairly charismatic v6 in it, which doesn't sell very well. Do you want them to make 2 of the same thing?

Johnspex

5,312 posts

215 months

Yesterday (13:55)
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NGK210 said:
Is it going to have a new / bespoke monocoque or a version of the Emira's, with the rear-end rejigged for a longitudinal layout?

If the latter, then shurley there's no reason on Earth why it should cost more than a 296 GTB, is there..?
You can t be serious.






The word is surely..

Frimley111R

19,412 posts

265 months

Yesterday (14:17)
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SDK said:
Lotus struggled to sell new Elise's at below £30k decades ago...lots of 'fans' online, but not many buyers!
Eh? This is nothing like an Elise. And its not decades ago. And they sold hugely more than they ever envisaged.

kambites

71,681 posts

252 months

Yesterday (14:41)
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My gut feeling is that they are going to struggle to compete with Mclaren. The 750S is, what, 750bhp and 1400kg wet for £250k? The Lotus needs to be comparable on all those figures and ideally better on at least one of them.

Harry_523

550 posts

130 months

Yesterday (14:48)
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Normally im on the EV side of the fence, and think the Lotus EVs are pretty cool, but some parts of the market deserve a big silly V8 and my god Lotus needs this as a Halo product to get its credibility back. Good Luck to them!

Justin-ow582

626 posts

136 months

Yesterday (15:13)
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I can't believe that half of the comments here are borderline whinging that Lotus are confirming a new ICE powered model.

They announce the Evija that, at the time, won the "numbers war" against other established EV hyper cars and looked amazing, but people moaned that a Lotus shouldn't be battery powered.

6 years later Lotus announce a new ICE model with circa 700bhp and people are actually whinging that it might not be as good as a Mclaren/Ferrari/Lambo or whatever, might cost more than an Emira (duh!) and might not sound as good as a V8 from decades ago (yeah, none of them do these days, deal with it).

Just be grateful that it's even being considered.

loudlashadjuster

6,536 posts

215 months

Yesterday (15:13)
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Always nice to hear of a new perfomance combustion engine in this day and age, but I can't help feeling Lotus shouldn't be trying to go toe-to-toe with the V8 Ferrari, Lamborghini, McLaren etc. here and should have opted for a naturally aspirated V8 to provide some market differentiation and to allow them to build a lighter car <something something add lightness something in their DNA something>

Imagine a sonorous, high-revving (8k+), n/a V8 with at least an Emira-beating 450hp in a car about 1,350kg wet. You could pitch it as a junior T.50, there would surely be demand as there is basically nothing like it on offer nowadays whereas boosted hot-V 4.0 V8s are literally everywhere.

But then, I'm just another forum numpty who knows naff all about building and selling supercars so why the hell should they listen to me*?

*Having said that, I have definitely lost less money in the supercar business than Lotus has wink

Huzzah

29,086 posts

214 months

Yesterday (15:22)
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Intersting that Horse are the engine supplier. I thought their interests stayed with innovative hybrids for mainstream cars.

Frimley111R

19,412 posts

265 months

Yesterday (15:26)
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Justin-ow582 said:
I can't believe that half of the comments here are borderline whinging that Lotus are confirming a new ICE powered model.

They announce the Evija that, at the time, won the "numbers war" against other established EV hyper cars and looked amazing, but people moaned that a Lotus shouldn't be battery powered.

6 years later Lotus announce a new ICE model with circa 700bhp and people are actually whinging that it might not be as good as a Mclaren/Ferrari/Lambo or whatever, might cost more than an Emira (duh!) and might not sound as good as a V8 from decades ago (yeah, none of them do these days, deal with it).

Just be grateful that it's even being considered.
Welcome to PH! And don't forget 'If it was cheaper...' comments

kambites

71,681 posts

252 months

Yesterday (15:32)
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Huzzah said:
Intersting that Horse are the engine supplier. I thought their interests stayed with innovative hybrids for mainstream cars.
Pretty sure they're developing the new V6 for the Emira too? I believe Geely are part owners of Horse so it makes sense.