Would I get a decent one?
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Hi Guys/Gals
I'm getting my usual restlessness with my toy and looking around at options.
I'm a real TVR addict (no flaming please!)but quite like the idea of trying a 911 for a change.
Point is, I'll only have around £15k to play with when i sell my Chimaera - will I get anything decent for that kind of money?
It would just be a Sunday car basically....
I'm getting my usual restlessness with my toy and looking around at options.
I'm a real TVR addict (no flaming please!)but quite like the idea of trying a 911 for a change.
Point is, I'll only have around £15k to play with when i sell my Chimaera - will I get anything decent for that kind of money?
It would just be a Sunday car basically....
I have a TVR and a Porsche, and get flamed on both sites.. 
I love TVRs and have had both Marques alternatively over years, although currently have both..(GT3 RS + Sagaris).
I'm sure you'll pickup a decent car, but more experience Porker heads, will be able to advise you on here.!
Cheers
Rob
I love TVRs and have had both Marques alternatively over years, although currently have both..(GT3 RS + Sagaris).
I'm sure you'll pickup a decent car, but more experience Porker heads, will be able to advise you on here.!
Cheers
Rob
What do you want for your 15k?
a) Top down motoring?
b) A sports car that you can blast a B road with, not necessarily fast, but fun?
c) Something you can tour Europe with (a fast GT)?
d) A track day weapon which is comfy to drive to and from?
a) 944 turbo cab
b) 911 3.2 Carrera (87/88/89)
c) 928 S4/GT/GTS
d) 968 CS or Sport
But there are many variables, so tell us what you want from the car and we'll suggest cars you should go out and drive (before you sell the Chim!).
VS
(ex Chim owner - wonderful car, i want another)
a) Top down motoring?
b) A sports car that you can blast a B road with, not necessarily fast, but fun?
c) Something you can tour Europe with (a fast GT)?
d) A track day weapon which is comfy to drive to and from?
a) 944 turbo cab
b) 911 3.2 Carrera (87/88/89)
c) 928 S4/GT/GTS
d) 968 CS or Sport
But there are many variables, so tell us what you want from the car and we'll suggest cars you should go out and drive (before you sell the Chim!).
VS
(ex Chim owner - wonderful car, i want another)
I'd suggest you look at LHD. you'll be lucky to get a really good RHD 964 for 15K and you wont get a 993 for that sort of money. 15K will buy you an absolutely mint LHD 964, and just scrapes into the 993 bracket (but be very careful inspecting it).
THe odd LHD boxster 3.2 is now floating around at not much more than your target price too - a fabulous drive but possibly not hairy enough for an ex-TVR man
THe odd LHD boxster 3.2 is now floating around at not much more than your target price too - a fabulous drive but possibly not hairy enough for an ex-TVR man
Just done the same. 98 Griff for a 964. You will miss the raw feel and the to some extent the power, but gain a build quality generally lacking in the TVR, fairly composed handling and greater ability to cover distance without feeling like you have been trapped in a rubbish bin and rolled down a hill....
Oddly though my wife preferred the TVR (bloody women!). Once TVr get on top of the Speed 6 engine issues (the only reason I did not buy another) I will probably buy a Sagaris, but this seems some way off!
Richard
Oddly though my wife preferred the TVR (bloody women!). Once TVr get on top of the Speed 6 engine issues (the only reason I did not buy another) I will probably buy a Sagaris, but this seems some way off!
Richard
[quote=verysideways]What do you want for your 15k?
a) Top down motoring?
b) A sports car that you can blast a B road with, not necessarily fast, but fun?
c) Something you can tour Europe with (a fast GT)?
d) A track day weapon which is comfy to drive to and from?
Probably b but fast too! It must be a 911 or derivative though - dont fancy the 944.
I think the Chims going to be a hard act to follow, though - that V8 bellow.....
a) Top down motoring?
b) A sports car that you can blast a B road with, not necessarily fast, but fun?
c) Something you can tour Europe with (a fast GT)?
d) A track day weapon which is comfy to drive to and from?
Probably b but fast too! It must be a 911 or derivative though - dont fancy the 944.
I think the Chims going to be a hard act to follow, though - that V8 bellow.....
Honestly, get a well-sorted LHD 964 with some nice bits on for 15k - although a good RHD one won't be far off.
With a sports exhaust, the 964 engine sounds almost as spine-tingling as a TVR Rover V8, but characterful in a chainsaw-howl kind of way. That's why I can't condone VS Pete suggesting a 944/968CS, good cars tho' they may be - you will need that exhaust note to transfer over from TVRdom successfully!
You can also get 280bhp out of them and make them handle really quite well, even with the engine in a daft place. If you saw TonyT's 964 in the flesh you would see that a supercar can be made from a boggo 964 C2 with some sensible investment in the right bits.
With a sports exhaust, the 964 engine sounds almost as spine-tingling as a TVR Rover V8, but characterful in a chainsaw-howl kind of way. That's why I can't condone VS Pete suggesting a 944/968CS, good cars tho' they may be - you will need that exhaust note to transfer over from TVRdom successfully!
You can also get 280bhp out of them and make them handle really quite well, even with the engine in a daft place. If you saw TonyT's 964 in the flesh you would see that a supercar can be made from a boggo 964 C2 with some sensible investment in the right bits.
Well sorted lhd 964 for £15k? All you need then is the G pipe for the exhaust...
Find one that's had a clutch replaced and check the receipt - see if the flywheel was done too.
Don't be put off by oil leaks, "they all do that sir", as long as they're minor. Major oil leaks are a ££££ concern.
Just checked the classifieds and found this, rhd for £15k with recent clutch and flywheel:
www.pistonheads.com/sales/51204.htm
And another, rhd also:
www.pistonheads.com/sales/53657.htm
Food for thought?
Find one that's had a clutch replaced and check the receipt - see if the flywheel was done too.
Don't be put off by oil leaks, "they all do that sir", as long as they're minor. Major oil leaks are a ££££ concern.
Just checked the classifieds and found this, rhd for £15k with recent clutch and flywheel:
www.pistonheads.com/sales/51204.htm
And another, rhd also:
www.pistonheads.com/sales/53657.htm
Food for thought?
Hmmmn. 964 is also from the era when 911s were still tiny little sports cars. Bucketloads of character - I love Dom's red beast - but I couldn't own one myself - too addicted to the mid-engined thing...
You could get a lot of Boxster for your money at £15K. Stretch to £20K and a nice 252bhp S with low miles could be yours. Brilliant car in every respect and more like a Chimaera in experience than the 964 will be.
If you need the engine-note, character and lairiness though a 964 is as cute as it gets. Get one in red!
You could get a lot of Boxster for your money at £15K. Stretch to £20K and a nice 252bhp S with low miles could be yours. Brilliant car in every respect and more like a Chimaera in experience than the 964 will be.
If you need the engine-note, character and lairiness though a 964 is as cute as it gets. Get one in red!
domster said:
I'd start looking out for a nicely-sorted, maybe tastefully-modified 964 C2 Coupe. I can't think of a better 911 for 15k in all honesty.
There seems to be a huge bias towards 964 onwards 911s on this forum - I see them being punted at every "what should I buy?" opportunity.
If you are coming from a TVR then you'll probably find pre-964 cars refined and I can definitely vouch for the 3.2 Carrera although I believe that even an SC can be a very usable motor.
3.2s are not as quick as a 964 but are plenty quick enough.
They have no PAS or ABS, it's just you and the road and every comparison that I've seen and my limited experience of driving 964s suggests that the 3.2 feels more connected to the road as a result.
3.2s are ultra strong and reliable - Porsche really went back to the drawing board with the 964 so much of that 20+ years of development in the 3.2 was lost -the 3.2 is the last of the evolution and the 964 is the first of the revolution.
I've also noticed that - and I assume this is because of the additional driver aids and the type of people that initially bought them - there are loads of raggy 964s out there which have been ill looked after whilst 3.2s tend to have been loved.
Plus you'll get a great 3.2 for your money.
I'm not saying don't get a 964 but I would seriously consider and preferably try out a 3.2 Carrera before you do.
For real insight into the car, buy Tony Corletts book - www.tonycorlett.com/.
I'd definitely get a decent drive in both a 3.2 and 964 if I were you. I've owned both and driven many examples of both. The 964 is a more polished, sophisticated performer, quieter and more civilised. The 3.2 is more what you'd expect from a 911 in terms of noise and feel and in real terms, is absolutely civilised enough to use every day. I did Chelmsford to John O'Groats in a day some years ago in my 3.2 Cab and stepped out feeling as fresh as when I'd stepped in.
I'd look at buying an RHD car if I were you - if you don't like it, you'll be able to sell it on a lot easier than if it were lhd...(this from a man who bought an GPW/Can Can lhd Cab in 2003....but I did only lose £250 on the car when I sold it a year later...).
I'd look at buying an RHD car if I were you - if you don't like it, you'll be able to sell it on a lot easier than if it were lhd...(this from a man who bought an GPW/Can Can lhd Cab in 2003....but I did only lose £250 on the car when I sold it a year later...).
I have to agree with Rubystone. I drive mine daily and often long distance an it's such a great drive that you actually arrive feeling refreshed.
As for 3.2s being more expensive than 964s I think that's often true of poorer 964s - top ones are still around £20k, but the really important thing is that 3.2s have virtually zero depreciation so it's not a huge issue as long as it's in budget in the first place.
FYI I switched from Targa to Coupe this year and lost precisely £250 after 18 months and 20k miles in the Targa.
As for 3.2s being more expensive than 964s I think that's often true of poorer 964s - top ones are still around £20k, but the really important thing is that 3.2s have virtually zero depreciation so it's not a huge issue as long as it's in budget in the first place.
FYI I switched from Targa to Coupe this year and lost precisely £250 after 18 months and 20k miles in the Targa.
verysideways said:
What do you want for your 15k?
...
b) A sports car that you can blast a B road with, not necessarily fast, but fun?
...
b) 911 3.2 Carrera (87/88/89)
Personally, if i couldn't afford a 993 i'd be in a 3.2 on the basis that i know too many people who have thrown money at 964's, and a clean black rhd 3.2 G50 coupe is about as close to depreciation proof as you can get i reckon, and cheap as chips to run.
Similar to this:
www.pistonheads.com/sales/47757.htm
or this:
www.pistonheads.com/sales/51767.htm
edit: i say not fast, because a 3.2 won't keep up with a decent 4.0 chim IMHO
>> Edited by verysideways on Tuesday 18th October 14:36
verysideways said:
Personally, if i couldn't afford a 993 i'd be in a 3.2 on the basis that i know too many people who have thrown money at 964's, and a clean black rhd 3.2 G50 coupe is about as close to depreciation proof as you can get i reckon, and cheap as chips to run.
Funnily enough I decided on a 3.2 over a 993 but it is a close thing - they definitely vie for top position in the ultimate 911 lineup. The last of the pure car against the last of the air-cooled (and probably the prettiest). I can feel another post coming on
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