New wings for F1 ?

[robsinfield]

From the 'You couldn't make it up' department comes this, the FIA's blueprint for encouraging overtaking in F1. The design is snappily entitled - 'Centreline Downwash Generating Wings' (CDG). Is it April the 1st already ? Pic on Grand Prix Diary for those who are interested - it looks appalling....

Rob

(Legal bit - pic from Autosport.com - copyright the FIA)

www.grandprixdiary.com

[rubystone]

....rear wing design by H Pagani esq

[robsinfield]

Tou are right about the advertising space, it would look a bit weird -'Pan onic' or 'Mil ven' !

Rob

PS: At least the picture the FIA provide shows it with slick tyres....

[Code Monkey]

so it is not just a simple approach then of enforcing a rule that the air flow must be under control after x distance, and this could be checked in a wind tunnel and available for a check at any point in the development of the wings? anything not homogulated cant be used?

some one like gascoigne or newey should be employed by FIA to write the rules allowing loopholes and ideas without restricting or making all the same.

[flemke]

Latest reports have it that in the upcoming election for FIA Fuhrer, er, President, Mosley will be unopposed (except, that is, by every motorsport fan in the world).

[D-Angle]

I can't help but think that drivers will still have the same problem with air turbulence when they move to the side of the car in front, which is a pretty essential manouvre to overtaking.

Besides which, I've just started flogging 'Your Company Name on an F1 Car' designs on Ebay, and if next years cars look significantly different, I've got lots of extra work to do!

Edited for smelling pistake

>> Edited by D-Angle on Monday 24th October 16:27

[FourWheelDrift]

It seems the wings have been moved further out to the car's edges (behind the wheels) but looking at the 2 sections wouldn't they make up one complete current rear wing (same level of downforce) and thus same drag, same overtaking problems?

One word for this idea. Rubbish.

[daydreamer]

FourWheelDrift said:

It seems the wings have been moved further out to the car's edges (behind the wheels) but looking at the 2 sections wouldn't they make up one complete current rear wing (same level of downforce) and thus same drag, same overtaking problems? One word for this idea. Rubbish.

Even the FIA wouldn't publish something without a bit of technical nouse behind it.

I haven't thought too hard about this, but could the fact that they are over the wheels force the teams to deal with the airflow in a certain way - the idea being less turbulence and a downdraught of air.

I'm sure Autosport will have a full explanation on Thursday.

Will it work - probably not. Same old same old - address one problem but don't consider the impacts on other areas - isn't this why we have ended up where we are at the moment

[FourWheelDrift]

daydreamer said:

Even the FIA wouldn't publish something without a bit of technical nouse behind it.

I think I see a flaw in the plan.

FIA - technical nouse? Probably not

[D_Mike]

The wings will be much less efficient because the are behind the wheels. the wheels cause a lot of turbulence.

the gap in the middle means the air tere is worked less hard and so is cleaner when if flows over the front wing of the car behind.

[eccles]

they look very vulnerable to damage from a tyre failure/blowout.

[gingerpaul]

If the arrows are pointing downwards doesn't that mean they are generating lift? That would mean they would be better off without the wing at all...

[team underdog]

eccles said:

they look very vulnerable to damage from a tyre failure/blowout.

second that. good(ish) idea but in the event of a blowout? not so much. Wont judge it too soon tho, im sure the final designs will be a bit more "elegant" from an engineering perspective.

[daydreamer]

Something else has just occurred to me. The point of this is to encourage slip streaming racing. Now I presently have a car in bits as a direct result of competing in a slip streaming series. Drafting is a nightmare, whether it be in Ginettas or Nascar.

I know that the boys in F1 have infinitely more ability than our good selves, but at the same time they essentially have infinitely more speed .

Should make for an interesting crash fest, so much for keeping costs down

[JamesHughes]

daydreamer said:

Something else has just occurred to me. The point of this is to encourage slip streaming racing. Now I presently have a car in bits as a direct result of competing in a slip streaming series. Drafting is a nightmare, whether it be in Ginettas or Nascar. I know that the boys in F1 have infinitely more ability than our good selves, but at the same time they essentially have infinitely more speed . Should make for an interesting crash fest, so much for keeping costs down

I can get a car in bits whether drafting or not - not sure that this will increase/reduce the number of accidents.

There is an 2 page article in MSN abvout this with a bit more detail. Sounds like all the wind tunnel (for that read FEA work on a computer) has already been done, so there has been alot of thought about it already - its not just come of the top of Moseleys head.

James

[anonymous-user]

One interesting effect of this will be to the effectiveness of the diffuser. On current single seater designs, the low pressure area below the rear wing "drives" the diffuser and increases it's effectiveness. Without a wing element above the exit of the tunnels, the downforce it generates will be reduced too.

I agree with the above comment - the FIA need to employ people as, if not more, intelligent than the F1 teams to avoid coming up with regulations that will be circumvented in months if not weeks.

[LongQ]

This idea probably came from Red Bull so they could re-use some of their 'it gives you wings' advertising content.

[flemke]

LexSport said:

I agree with the above comment - the FIA need to employ people as, if not more, intelligent than the F1 teams to avoid coming up with regulations that will be circumvented in months if not weeks.

For better or worse, it is almost inconceivable that what you're wishing for could happen in real life.
If you could choose between working for Ferrari, Williams or McLaren, or being paid a fraction as much by working for a bureaucracy in Paris that's run by Max Mosley, and whose potency of enforcement isn't even equal to that of the RSPCA, which would you choose?

[GavinPearson]

Overall another seriously ill thought and stupid idea from the FIA.

And to think I once thought Balestre was an idiot.

[D_Mike]

In this weeks autosport Gary Anderson says that there no FEA done on this concept (but there was on others).