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James
Glad all is well with the car. Hopefully you had chance to have a blast over the weekend.
Tim
Look out for James in my old RS. It will be wearing my reg number for a short while until a replacement is issued from the DVLA.
The space in my garage needs a new toy. Any suggestions.....?
Cheers Jonathan
Glad all is well with the car. Hopefully you had chance to have a blast over the weekend.
Tim
Look out for James in my old RS. It will be wearing my reg number for a short while until a replacement is issued from the DVLA.
The space in my garage needs a new toy. Any suggestions.....?
Cheers Jonathan
Jonathan,
There is only one car to replace the RS with ...................... another RS !
If I was looking for something a little different but just as quick , a BMW M3 CSL would be a good choice
+ they look better than the new japanese type 3 series ( that Is one ugly beast ).. Ive driven one and liked it + they are cheap now or else that new Lotus ?
Hope all is well
tim
There is only one car to replace the RS with ...................... another RS !
If I was looking for something a little different but just as quick , a BMW M3 CSL would be a good choice
+ they look better than the new japanese type 3 series ( that Is one ugly beast ).. Ive driven one and liked it + they are cheap now or else that new Lotus ?
Hope all is well
tim
Tim
One of the reasons that I sold the RS was that I knew I wasn't going to be able to use it much over the winter. New baby, xmas, skiing holidays etc. Also, I decided that when I do replace it, it should be for someting that is a little more family friendly.
The CSL is a stronge contender. Rear seat, boot, good performance and cheap as chips. Good for road and track. My only fear is after the RS any other car that I put on track will feel second rate. With this in mind I am thinking that I should just buy a nice sports road car for a while and come back to doing track days in the near future. Another Porsche (997) would be an easy choice, alternativley I may go for a complete alternative.
Wait for it............................................................................................ A Maserati Gransport is giving me the horn.
So the short list (currently):
CSL - road and a little track use.
997 (with sports suspension) - road and a little track use.
Masser Gransport - Road use only.
Opinions greatly received.
Cheers Jonathan
One of the reasons that I sold the RS was that I knew I wasn't going to be able to use it much over the winter. New baby, xmas, skiing holidays etc. Also, I decided that when I do replace it, it should be for someting that is a little more family friendly.
The CSL is a stronge contender. Rear seat, boot, good performance and cheap as chips. Good for road and track. My only fear is after the RS any other car that I put on track will feel second rate. With this in mind I am thinking that I should just buy a nice sports road car for a while and come back to doing track days in the near future. Another Porsche (997) would be an easy choice, alternativley I may go for a complete alternative.
Wait for it............................................................................................ A Maserati Gransport is giving me the horn.
So the short list (currently):
CSL - road and a little track use.
997 (with sports suspension) - road and a little track use.
Masser Gransport - Road use only.
Opinions greatly received.
Cheers Jonathan
997 with sports suspension is awesome. I should know as I have one and it does everything it says on the tin and more.
It is not quite as exciting as a GT3 but it does a pretty good impression and it is utterly sublime on track where you can just turn in on the brakes and ride out huge power slides until your wallet gives out. I should know as I have done 3 sets of rear tyres already in 8000 miles but hey it was fun
It is not quite as exciting as a GT3 but it does a pretty good impression and it is utterly sublime on track where you can just turn in on the brakes and ride out huge power slides until your wallet gives out. I should know as I have done 3 sets of rear tyres already in 8000 miles but hey it was fun
If you liked the RS I recently saw an absolutely gorgeous Gransport at Dick Lovett Maserati/Ferrari in Swindon.It was about to become their demo car and had been ordered with the same white/blue livery as the MC12.No doubt not to everyone's taste but if you liked the GT3RS I suspect this may appeal.No idea if it's still available but worth a look perhaps.
jjr1 said:
997 with sports suspension is awesome. I should know as I have one and it does everything it says on the tin and more.
It is not quite as exciting as a GT3 but it does a pretty good impression and it is utterly sublime on track where you can just turn in on the brakes and ride out huge power slides until your wallet gives out. I should know as I have done 3 sets of rear tyres already in 8000 miles but hey it was fun
I've heard that sports suspension makes the car much better on track. How does it effect the day-to-day road driving. Just thinking about a family day trip type of drive as apposed to a Sunday morning blast.
Do you have a sports exhaust also? If I went down this route I would try to buy a used one, but I guess that there aren't many used ones out there yet???
Cheers Jonathan
gunner said:
If you liked the RS I recently saw an absolutely gorgeous Gransport at Dick Lovett Maserati/Ferrari in Swindon.It was about to become their demo car and had been ordered with the same white/blue livery as the MC12.No doubt not to everyone's taste but if you liked the GT3RS I suspect this may appeal.No idea if it's still available but worth a look perhaps.
The RS is a great car and I love the way it looks because it suits the car and what it was designed to do.
A G/Sport with a similar type of paint scheme would not be my thing. I think a Masser should be subtle and cool, not load and 'look at me'. Thanks though, I'll have a look on their website. Perhaps they could put a big carbon rear wing on as well.
The reason it is so much better on track is down to the LSD which the PASM car does not have. There is nothiong worse or more frustrating than spinning away all that rubber in a big cloud and going nowhere fast.
On the road the -20mm is stiffer than a Pasm in soft but not to the point that it is awakward around town. If your only experience of a sports suspension is the 996 version then you will have totally the wrong impression of it. I never ever bemoan the ride around town and it has done plenty of miles in suburbia.
Out on the road it just rides so much better than a PASM in sport mode that it is shocking. Sport mode on a PASM sends the front of the car bobbing up and down as if it is overdamped and makes it scary on a bumpy road. The -20mm soaks up those bumps while remaining taut.
I took a technician out in mine to find a squeak and we drove over some proper bumpy roads and he was gobsmacked we were going so fast as he said in the normal car it would have been bucking everywhere. I had to agree as I drove my father-in-laws car and it did just that.
As for sports exhaust I could not order mine with PSE as it was not available at the time. The car really does need one though so I plumped for a Tubi and absolutely love it. Look in my profile and click the link to Tubi. That is my car in that vid.
On the road the -20mm is stiffer than a Pasm in soft but not to the point that it is awakward around town. If your only experience of a sports suspension is the 996 version then you will have totally the wrong impression of it. I never ever bemoan the ride around town and it has done plenty of miles in suburbia.
Out on the road it just rides so much better than a PASM in sport mode that it is shocking. Sport mode on a PASM sends the front of the car bobbing up and down as if it is overdamped and makes it scary on a bumpy road. The -20mm soaks up those bumps while remaining taut.
I took a technician out in mine to find a squeak and we drove over some proper bumpy roads and he was gobsmacked we were going so fast as he said in the normal car it would have been bucking everywhere. I had to agree as I drove my father-in-laws car and it did just that.
As for sports exhaust I could not order mine with PSE as it was not available at the time. The car really does need one though so I plumped for a Tubi and absolutely love it. Look in my profile and click the link to Tubi. That is my car in that vid.
This all sounds to good to be true.
Questions.
Does the car with sports suspension have any eletronic traction control (PSM)? If so, can it be totally switched off?
Obviousley the cars' ride height stays at -20mm all the time?
Is there still a sports buttton in the car to speed up throttle response etc? And is it part of the Sports Chrono package?
How tempted would you be to spec a 997 with the new performance package? £8K buys you +30hp and the sports exhaust.
Questions.
Does the car with sports suspension have any eletronic traction control (PSM)? If so, can it be totally switched off?
Obviousley the cars' ride height stays at -20mm all the time?
Is there still a sports buttton in the car to speed up throttle response etc? And is it part of the Sports Chrono package?
How tempted would you be to spec a 997 with the new performance package? £8K buys you +30hp and the sports exhaust.
jcosh said:
This all sounds to good to be true.
Questions.
Does the car with sports suspension have any eletronic traction control (PSM)? If so, can it be totally switched off?
Obviousley the cars' ride height stays at -20mm all the time?
Is there still a sports buttton in the car to speed up throttle response etc? And is it part of the Sports Chrono package?
How tempted would you be to spec a 997 with the new performance package? £8K buys you +30hp and the sports exhaust.
Yeah the PSM remains whatever car you have. Just turn it off as soon as you get near a track as it is a real pain in the backside always reducing your power and fun !
Sports button is available to anyone that orders the Sports Chrono package but I didn't bother as it doesn't do anything at all for performance (unless you have an auto where it raises the rev limit) and is really just a placebo, to make you think you are going faster. I just use my right foot. Used to have it on my old M3 and it was never turned on as it just doesn't do anything for me.
Tempted by 8k and 30bhp? Not a chance! Would rather just sell the car and buy a GT3 or RS. IMHO 30bhp is going to make such a slight difference to the car that it will be almost undetectable apart from in your wallet !
Oh and you absolutely must whatever you choose get a PSE or aftermarket exhaust as it totally transforms the car. I drove mine for 8 months while waiting to get an exhaust and it pained me to have to listen to my friends C4S with PSE drive by every day. Finally I can grin from inside the car at the howl !
seandudding said:
JC
I would stay well clear of the Maserati. Go look at Stuttgart nines to see how troublesome they can be. Plus depreciation is huge.
If I was you I would look at a 996TT.
Cheers Sean
Hi Sean
Clearly I wouldn't buy a new Masser as you say the depreciation is huge. Luckily I have a friend in the Masser trade who would be able to source me used car at the right money. The problem could come when it is time to sell it on, as finding a home for it could be the biggest problem.
Not sure about the 996TT as a prefer N/A engines. When I test drove one a few years ago it seemed like I was just a passenger and the car would go flat out everywhere without any effort. May be worth another look. I guess there will be a further price drop on 996TT's when the 997TT arrives.
Decisions, decisions...........
Jonathan
>> Edited by jcosh on Monday 24th October 16:45
jcosh said:
The CSL is a stronge contender. Rear seat, boot, good performance and cheap as chips. Good for road and track. My only fear is after the RS any other car that I put on track will feel second rate...
lol
Sold my GT3Mk2 in August, and thought oooh, I'll buy a nice CSL and have an allround car, that has rear seats and can do some trackwork.. hehe
Am now in an RS..
1st time I put the CSL on track, I wished I had my old GT3..
Don't even think about a CSL, if you've had an RS.!
I'd think about just a plain road car..
Good luck.
RS Rob
jcosh said:
JC
I would stay well clear of the Maserati. Go look at Stuttgart nines to see how troublesome they can be. Plus depreciation is huge.
If I was you I would look at a 996TT.
Cheers Sean
Hi Sean
Clearly I wouldn't buy a new Masser as you say the depreciation is huge. Luckily I have a friend in the Masser trade who would be able to source me used car at the right money. The problem could come when it is time to sell it on, as finding a home for it could be the biggest problem.
Not sure about the 996TT as a prefer N/A engines. When I test drove one a few years ago it seemed like I was just a passenger and the car would go flat out everywhere without any effort. May be worth another look. I guess there will be a further price drop on 996TT's when the 997TT arrives.
Decisions, decisions...........
Jonathan
>> Edited by jcosh on Monday 24th October 16:45
Interesting that you felt that about the Turbo as that is exactly how they leave me, feeling flat. I feel a 997S with -20mm will be exactly what you are looking for if you are anything like me.
My only dilemma is that I would really love a GT3 or RS but I also like to put miles on my cars which is something I feel I will get away with on my 997 but not in a GT3/RS. You never see them with decent (high) mileages because they are normally used as a toy.
It is alos the reason that I could never have a Ferrari as I would in deep trouble come trade in with the first 100,000 miler
jjr1 said:
seandudding said:
JC
I would stay well clear of the Maserati. Go look at Stuttgart nines to see how troublesome they can be. Plus depreciation is huge.
If I was you I would look at a 996TT.
Cheers Sean
Hi Sean
Clearly I wouldn't buy a new Masser as you say the depreciation is huge. Luckily I have a friend in the Masser trade who would be able to source me used car at the right money. The problem could come when it is time to sell it on, as finding a home for it could be the biggest problem.
Not sure about the 996TT as a prefer N/A engines. When I test drove one a few years ago it seemed like I was just a passenger and the car would go flat out everywhere without any effort. May be worth another look. I guess there will be a further price drop on 996TT's when the 997TT arrives.
Decisions, decisions...........
Jonathan
>> Edited by jcosh on Monday 24th October 16:45
Interesting that you felt that about the Turbo as that is exactly how they leave me, feeling flat. I feel a 997S with -20mm will be exactly what you are looking for if you are anything like me.
My only dilemma is that I would really love a GT3 or RS but I also like to put miles on my cars which is something I feel I will get away with on my 997 but not in a GT3/RS. You never see them with decent (high) mileages because they are normally used as a toy.
It is alos the reason that I could never have a Ferrari as I would in deep trouble come trade in with the first 100,000 miler
From what you have said about your 997, I suspect you have the best of both worlds. GT3's and RS's are truely great cars, but they are not an every day car. They should only be thought of as a fab track car and an occasional/fun road car - never as an every day mile muncher.
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