2nd gear
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baboon

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40 posts

250 months

Friday 28th October 2005
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I wonder if any of you more experienced porsche drivers can help me...
In my 996tt, if i try to change gear quickly from first to second it feels VERY mechanically unsympathetic. Instead i have to do it slowly and smoothly, i have to pause in neutral for maybe half a second before it slots into second smoothly.
Is this normal? This happens into to third but MUCH much less. It's not a big problem just a pain cos you lose momentum when accelerating throught the gears
ps i'm not talking about really violent driving, it is like this on every gearchange driving around town

Rumplestiltskin

1,084 posts

249 months

Friday 28th October 2005
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Nothing like that from mine.
The gearbox isn't the smoothest in the world, but no issues engaging any gears at speed.

Rump.

robbom3

265 posts

254 months

Friday 28th October 2005
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Rumplestiltskin said:
Nothing like that from mine.
The gearbox isn't the smoothest in the world, but no issues engaging any gears at speed.

Rump.


Same here.

nel

4,830 posts

268 months

Friday 28th October 2005
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Tired clutch perhaps? How many miles has the clutch done?

BliarOut

72,863 posts

266 months

Friday 28th October 2005
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nel said:
Tired clutch perhaps? How many miles has the clutch done?


Sounds like it's not fully disengaging the drive to the gearbox.

baboon

Original Poster:

40 posts

250 months

Friday 28th October 2005
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thanks for the replies
the clutch has only done 14k miles... presume that isn't a warranty job, how much does a new clutch cost?
somebody mentioned it might be the synchros... any thoughts?

nel

4,830 posts

268 months

Friday 28th October 2005
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It seems unlikely that the synchros on 2nd and 3rd start to go at the same time, unless there is a common failure mode - oil level in the gearbox?

I'd get the clutch operation checked out - it could be simply hydraulic, i.e. master or slave cylinder problem rather than an issue with the hard to get at bits between the transmission and the engine. If you continue to drive it playing up in this manner then you could do damage to the synchros as they will be worked harder trying to make up for failure to completely disengage.

Either way, if the clutch has only done 14k miles then it's unlikely to be failure due to consumption of a consumable (i.e. the clutch friction disc), so logically you should have a good chance of pushing it through under warranty.

nbetts

1,455 posts

256 months

Friday 28th October 2005
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I don't have your problem. What I do find hard about changing to second is that the acceleration is so brutal in first you have to be bloody quick and smooth to get it just right for maximum grunt... not the easiest of things

superlightr

12,920 posts

290 months

Friday 28th October 2005
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no problems here with 1st to 2nd -

although I use 1st for getting it going and them floor it in 2nd..... and 3rd... and 4th.......etc

Rumplestiltskin

1,084 posts

249 months

Friday 28th October 2005
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nbetts
I find the opposit - I find acceleration in 1st is not on a par with 2nd, 3rd.
I mean I know it never is, but I don't think actually its that brutal in 1st. I guess the fact that boost is limited in 1st is the answer - mine feels a little restrained at full bore in 1st gear.

Rump.

DanH

12,287 posts

287 months

Friday 28th October 2005
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When you rush it, does it feel like its catching etc?

Could be as simple as your linkage being out of true, which is a fairly simple fix.

Clutch being worn would affect all gears surely?

Joe911

2,763 posts

262 months

Friday 28th October 2005
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Do you double declutch?

baboon

Original Poster:

40 posts

250 months

Friday 28th October 2005
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i don't double declutch, i didn't think you had to on upshifts in modern cars with synchros... it simple feels as if it doesn't mesh instantly but does after a split second. hurrying it through feels like you're grinding something.
I'm over dramatising it slightly but it still niggles that i can't just slip into 2nd

barry_j

605 posts

263 months

Friday 28th October 2005
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I fitted a short-shift and I find the gear change is much more precise than before. Not sure that would solve your problem but I still highly recommend

DaGinge

6,740 posts

276 months

Saturday 29th October 2005
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unfortunately 14K isn't unheard of for a clutch replacement - get your favourite indie to do it - probably about £500 parts and £400 labour. Synchro rings going into 2nd would be very unusual - wrong end of the box, usually 3rd and 5th give the problems.

cyberface

12,214 posts

284 months

Saturday 29th October 2005
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The 996TT has a hell of a lot of torque and 4wd - if you didn't buy the car from new and the previous owner abused the clutch, then it could unfortunately easily need replacement by now My first 993 needed a clutch soon after I bought it, at 44k miles, and that's without 4wd and half the torque.

Then again, if the clutch isn't properly disengaging, leaving residual torque into the 'box when trying to change gear, then you should theoretically notice the same behaviour (though reduced) from 2nd to 3rd.

Is is sticky getting into first when the engine is above idle, say, 2k rpm?

I'd also recommend initial diagnosis by a good indie, they're more likely to be honest if a new clutch isn't required (e.g. if it's a hydraulic fluid issue). Good luck!

kiko

269 posts

253 months

Monday 31st October 2005
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I Got a 996 TT with exactly the same problem and with a RUF short shift you notice it even more... Please report on the outcome.
Regards
Francisco

baboon

Original Poster:

40 posts

250 months

Monday 31st October 2005
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Ok, i took it took my friendly indie and the guy took it for a drive.
He said that the clutch wasn't disengaging perfectly which he said was most likely due to a slightly worn or warped clutch but that without having a proper look inside he wouldn't know for sure.

He did say that i was being very fussy though and that if i hadn't told him about the problem he probably wouldn't have noticed it and that if it was his car he wouldn't bother doing anything for now. His recommendation was to leave it and if it got worse to take it in.
I raised a worry that if it lead to damage to the gearbox maybe my warranty would be void for not having maintained the clutch properly but he assured me that as long as i wasn't brutal with the gears and didn't violently force it there wouldn't be a problem.

Does this all seem to make sense to the more experinced owners?

For the record the guy who checked my car came very highly recommended to me by a good friend who has had his porsches maintained by him for over thiry years.

DanH

12,287 posts

287 months

Monday 31st October 2005
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Really up to you. I do find that technicians etc often aren't overly fussed about things like this. If it bothers you though, why not get a quote.