Stopped for speeding
Discussion
I was stopped for speeding yesterday (it was claimed I overtook a police transit on a 2 lane stretch of road when they were travelling the speed limit).
I was told me the officer (before being breathalised) that I shouldn't trust my GPS which was reading a steady 30/31 MPH and had been for about 30 seconds.
I didn't get nicked for it, but could anyone confirm whether or not his speedo would have been calibrated (police van, not a traffic car), and thus who was probably correct in their guesstimate of speed? I'd guess I was doing about 3-4 mph quicker than the van.
I was also told to rely on my speedo, which is odd as it reads exactly the same as my GPS (though I realise most don't and overestimate speed).
ta,
D
Edited to add: forget to say 'think of the children'. I must have endangered loads (if I was in fact 3mph over the speed limit at 4:45am)
>> Edited by _deejay_ on Tuesday 1st November 13:01
I was told me the officer (before being breathalised) that I shouldn't trust my GPS which was reading a steady 30/31 MPH and had been for about 30 seconds.
I didn't get nicked for it, but could anyone confirm whether or not his speedo would have been calibrated (police van, not a traffic car), and thus who was probably correct in their guesstimate of speed? I'd guess I was doing about 3-4 mph quicker than the van.
I was also told to rely on my speedo, which is odd as it reads exactly the same as my GPS (though I realise most don't and overestimate speed).
ta,
D
Edited to add: forget to say 'think of the children'. I must have endangered loads (if I was in fact 3mph over the speed limit at 4:45am)
>> Edited by _deejay_ on Tuesday 1st November 13:01
Yeah, don't trust the GPS, trust your speedo. Because obviously the speedo is going to be more accurate! What an idiot. You should have told him to shove it up his arse. It's obvious the only reason he pulled you over is because you [cartman]"disrespected his authority"[/cartman] by overtaking him.
CupraR said:
Yeah, don't trust the GPS, trust your speedo. Because obviously the speedo is going to be more accurate! What an idiot. You should have told him to shove it up his arse. It's obvious the only reason he pulled you over is because you [cartman]"disrespected his authority"[/cartman] by overtaking him.
I wouldn't have minded, but it was approaching a roundabout and we were going in different directions, thus lanes.
I figured the t350's exhaust might have sounded like I was travelling faster than I was. It's odd that he didn't check if the car was mine, stolen, roadworthy, tax'd, ask me where I was going so early in the morning etc etc.
I did point out the inaccuracy in speedo's but he correctly mentioned that they always overread, so it'd keep me out of trouble.
I do suspect I got up his nose as I overtook him in a sports car. It's a shame really, but no harm done!
'Have you been drinking this morning sir?'
'I had one glass of wine yesterday at lunch'
'Blow into this tube, etc'
Complete waste of time and resources!
>> Edited by _deejay_ on Tuesday 1st November 13:20
_deejay_ said:
Yeah, don't trust the GPS, trust your speedo. Because obviously the speedo is going to be more accurate! What an idiot. You should have told him to shove it up his arse. It's obvious the only reason he pulled you over is because you [cartman]"disrespected his authority"[/cartman] by overtaking him.
I wouldn't have minded, but it was approaching a roundabout and we were going in different directions, thus lanes.
I figured the t350's exhaust might have sounded like I was travelling faster than I was. It's odd that he didn't check if the car was mine, stolen, roadworthy, tax'd, ask me where I was going so early in the morning etc etc.
I did point out the inaccuracy in speedo's but he correctly mentioned that they always overread, so it'd keep me out of trouble.
I do suspect I got up his nose as I overtook him in a sports car. It's a shame really, but no harm done!
'Have you been drinking this morning sir?'
'I had one glass of wine yesterday at lunch'
'Blow into this tube, etc'
Complete waste of time and resources!
>> Edited by _deejay_ on Tuesday 1st November 13:20
I think you are right. Farse.
You are not being reported for it I hope!
If he admitted that speedos over-read by design, did he not think of he was doing 30 by his speedo, his actual speed was probably about 27, so when you crawled past at 30, your GPS was in fact exactly right...!?
justinp1 said:
CupraR said:
Yeah, don't trust the GPS, trust your speedo. Because obviously the speedo is going to be more accurate! What an idiot. You should have told him to shove it up his arse. It's obvious the only reason he pulled you over is because you [cartman]"disrespected his authority"[/cartman] by overtaking him.
I wouldn't have minded, but it was approaching a roundabout and we were going in different directions, thus lanes.
I figured the t350's exhaust might have sounded like I was travelling faster than I was. It's odd that he didn't check if the car was mine, stolen, roadworthy, tax'd, ask me where I was going so early in the morning etc etc.
I did point out the inaccuracy in speedo's but he correctly mentioned that they always overread, so it'd keep me out of trouble.
I do suspect I got up his nose as I overtook him in a sports car. It's a shame really, but no harm done!
'Have you been drinking this morning sir?'
'I had one glass of wine yesterday at lunch'
'Blow into this tube, etc'
Complete waste of time and resources!
>> Edited by _deejay_ on Tuesday 1st November 13:20
I think you are right. Farse.
You are not being reported for it I hope!
If he admitted that speedos over-read by design, did he not think of he was doing 30 by his speedo, his actual speed was probably about 27, so when you crawled past at 30, your GPS was in fact exactly right...!?
I didn't know whether he'd have a calibrated speedo or not, though if it didn't then that'd certainly make sense.
I hope I'm not being reported for it. He didn't actually ask my name either, so he'd probably struggle!
Ah well, hope to have a runaround for the journey next time so should get less grief!
Just to cofirm the accuracy of GPS - Had my TVR checked for speedo accuracy on a rolling road - proved to be 100% accurate at 30 and 60 mph (all that we tested). Took TVR out with GPS on, checked GPS against speedo, GPS matched the speedo exactly, QED GPS is accurate.
Tested GPS against my Omega 4% over read and Golf 5% over read on the speedos, which is as I would expect although I was expecting higher % over read.
Dodsy
Tested GPS against my Omega 4% over read and Golf 5% over read on the speedos, which is as I would expect although I was expecting higher % over read.
Dodsy
bigdods said:
Just to cofirm the accuracy of GPS - Had my TVR checked for speedo accuracy on a rolling road - proved to be 100% accurate at 30 and 60 mph (all that we tested). Took TVR out with GPS on, checked GPS against speedo, GPS matched the speedo exactly, QED GPS is accurate.
Tested GPS against my Omega 4% over read and Golf 5% over read on the speedos, which is as I would expect although I was expecting higher % over read.
Dodsy
Mine's just about the same on my speedo as on the GPS. I suspect the speedo over reads by about 1/2 mph out all the way as at some speeds they are identical and others 1 mph apart.
The conversation went:
ME: "I was not intentionally speeding; I'd have to be fairly foolish to pass a marked police van. When I passed you my GPS device was reading exactly 30mph and had been for some time"
HIM: "I don't know what device you've got but could you stick to the reading given by your speedo in future"
ME: "I was under the impression speedos could overread by up to 10%"
HIM: "Yes, but you won't be stopped for speeding if you use your speedo"
Ah well, no harm done I don't suppose!
_deejay_ said:
The conversation went:
ME: "I was not intentionally speeding; I'd have to be fairly foolish to pass a marked police van. When I passed you my GPS device was reading exactly 30mph and had been for some time"
HIM: "I don't know what device you've got but could you stick to the reading given by your speedo in future"
ME: "I was under the impression speedos could overread by up to 10%"
HIM: "Yes, but you won't be stopped for speeding if you use your speedo"
"And I shouldn't be stopped for speeding by some jealous jobsworth of a copper with nothing better to do!"
Was probably what went through your head, but you were best not saying it. Let them have their little pleasures...it just keeps eroding our support for them.
havoc said:
_deejay_ said:
The conversation went:
ME: "I was not intentionally speeding; I'd have to be fairly foolish to pass a marked police van. When I passed you my GPS device was reading exactly 30mph and had been for some time"
HIM: "I don't know what device you've got but could you stick to the reading given by your speedo in future"
ME: "I was under the impression speedos could overread by up to 10%"
HIM: "Yes, but you won't be stopped for speeding if you use your speedo"
"And I shouldn't be stopped for speeding by some jealous jobsworth of a copper with nothing better to do!"
Was probably what went through your head, but you were best not saying it. Let them have their little pleasures...it just keeps eroding our support for them.
I did re-run the conversation in my head a few times with what I should have said. However, I didn't lose anything, he was pleasant enough and had I been at all disrespectful I suspect I'd have been stood there for a while longer whilst he checked the vehicle over to find something to do me with!
It was my first brush with the law though (apart from when cars were stolen outside my parents house and they got a crime reference number over the phone!)
It's a difficult job, and I suppose police officers don't suddenly lose their previous characteristics as soon as the join the force, so you're bound to get 'human' reactions to situations.
>> Edited by _deejay_ on Tuesday 1st November 17:27
I thought average Police Officers were not allowed to pull you over.
Was there not mention by one of our residents that even in the event of a bank robbery they would have to let the getaway car pass?
Whatever way this sounds like a high example of bored/jealous/power hungry play time.
Was there not mention by one of our residents that even in the event of a bank robbery they would have to let the getaway car pass?
Whatever way this sounds like a high example of bored/jealous/power hungry play time.
KB_S1 said:
I thought average Police Officers were not allowed to pull you over.
Was there not mention by one of our residents that even in the event of a bank robbery they would have to let the getaway car pass?
I think that's in relation to actually pursuing a vehicle rather than just indicating for it to stop. If he was driving a station van then he was probably response trained and can pursue, subject to usual limitations etc.
KB_S1 said:
Whatever way this sounds like a high example of bored/jealous/power hungry play time.
Does seem strange. We have a real problem with high-value vehicle thefts lately. The house will be broken into (keys are always left in kitchen/on hook/in little bowl etc...)and the vehicle is taken from the drive. I will always try to stop such high value cars in the early hours, just to check driver details, give advice on NOT leaving the keys on a hook in the kitchen etc! Normally appreciated by the driver who will see i've got their interests at heart. To pull a car over and not even check details is just sloppy. Especially to give a lecture on GPS and 3mph! Personally i'd have asked him to do a burnout but then that's me!
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