Daggart's Cerbera's Stickers
Discussion
Took these photos yesterday, couldn't post here though because net connection was down (been doing it a lot lately :/)
I'm sure there will be some that don't like them, but I personally think they look great :)
[pic]http://rob.mm2c.com/tvr/DSC_2731.JPG[/pic]
[pic]http://rob.mm2c.com/tvr/DSC_2735.JPG[/pic]
I'm sure there will be some that don't like them, but I personally think they look great :)
[pic]http://rob.mm2c.com/tvr/DSC_2731.JPG[/pic]
[pic]http://rob.mm2c.com/tvr/DSC_2735.JPG[/pic]
grass widow said:
I like them, not sure what my other half will think though. But ours is silver, so they probably wouldn't show up too well.
If your silver is slightly different to the stickers, it could work quite well whilst making it much more subtle.
What do you think?
>> Edited by Mark Adams on Tuesday 1st November 16:45
could work. Would have to convince my husband though.
That rear brake disk looks well rusty, I'd get that car out for a blast and clean it off.
Hmmmm,,, not sure about the graphics, I was expecting squares like the one at the london TVR opening.
Does look a bit demoish. Though each to their own, and all that, are you getting any royalties? would help with costs.
Nick.
All ready for the meet up at Charlies then Daggers?
Hmmmm,,, not sure about the graphics, I was expecting squares like the one at the london TVR opening.
Does look a bit demoish. Though each to their own, and all that, are you getting any royalties? would help with costs.
Nick.
All ready for the meet up at Charlies then Daggers?
Mark Adams said:
I like them, not sure what my other half will think though. But ours is silver, so they probably wouldn't show up too well.
If your silver is slightly different to the stickers, it could work quite well whilst making it much more subtle.
What do you think?
>> Edited by Mark Adams on Tuesday 1st November 16:45
Indeed. That would work well on a silver car in a much classier typeface.
dinkel said:
Yuk. Wrong Typeface, Avant Garde.
Wrong but right.
It is the typeface as used on the Speed Twelve's sills. It's a little large on Jon's car and would have looked better in chrome rather than silver vinyl IMHO - as chrome it reflects colour so tends to 'stare' less. Avant Garde is TVR's main, and only, font. Its use for display and text/book work is an abomination. I tried - as an outsider - to get TVR off it for years. Inhouse, I began to dial it out with something a lot more grown-up and fashion-proof that has a good choice of weights (News Gothic for those in the know).
Unfortunately, the typographic ineptitude has crept back and Avant Garde is back on the menu. Avant Garde has not been avant garde in the last 30 years. It's certainly never worked as a single-font solution for display and book work - it does your head in to read a paragraph of it.
Given that in terms of automotive design (interior and exterior), TVR is in a league all its own, it has always jarred me that the company should represent itself so consistently and dreadfully as a graphical design numpty of the first order.
Some Avant Garde history from Tinternet:
Avant Garde -- the typeface -- was born as a logo for a new magazine of the same name in the mid-60s. Ralph Ginzburg collaborated with Herb Lubalin (pronounced "Loo-ba-lin" ) on four magazines, of which Avant Garde was their second. Ginzburg remembers, "Avant Garde (the magazine) began as the single most difficult collaboration we had -- his [Lubalin's] first logo was in Hebrew. He thought that was funny. Then he did it in Coca-Cola script. We went through a dozen logos, masterfully executed."
Lubalin and Ginzburg used a collection of Picasso erotica in the promotional materials for the new magazine and needed a complete alphabet for their titles. Lubalin used three assistants to hand draw the 26 characters (only capital letters were needed) very quickly and, with the vital involvement of Tom Carnase, another of Lubalin's partners, many additional fitted character pairs (called "ligatures" ) were created as their work progressed. It is these upper case character pairs that made Avant Garde one of the most original typefaces of the twentieth century.
But Avant Garde, the all-cap typeface, was intended only for use in the magazine by its art director. The International Typeface Corporation (ITC), a business venture begun in collaboration with Aaron Burns, released the first full Avant Garde fonts in 1970. A serifed version of Avant Garde, called Lubalin Graph, and designed by Tony DiSpigna, was released by ITC shortly thereafter.
One of Lubalin's partners, Tony DiSpigna, says, "The first time Avant Garde was used was one of the few times it was used correctly. It's become the most abused typeface in the world." Ed Benguiat, one of type's best friends and an ancient pal of Lubalin's, says, "The only place Avant Garde looks good is in the words Avant Garde. Everybody ruins it. They lean the letters the wrong way."
There are two knocks against Avant Garde: It is irrevocably connected to the era in which it was born; and it is ugly.
Lubalin's typeface was a landmark design of the late 60's. It was such a fresh approach to letterforms and their interaction that it became a typographic icon of the period. For those who were aware back then, it is permanently connected to that era and is best used to help create a thirty-year-old mood in a design.
The upper and lower case typeface was developed as an outgrowth of an all-caps logo. Certain design decisions that were made in the brilliant interests of a two-word piece of display type had to be followed to make the font work as a unified collection of characters. As a result, the lower case characters are squeaky clean distortions of other slightly less geometric sans serif fonts like Futura and Univers. In fact, Avant Garde has the most geometrically- perfect rounds and truely straight strokes of any typeface I can think of. A collection of such extreme shapes causes fatigue at text sizes and cannot help but draw attention to itself, which is arguably the greatest sin a typeface can commit.
Its strength has always been its all-cap ligatures. Avant Garde should be used as it was originally intended: as a display face where its ligatures can be carefully crafted into magnificent letterform gems. The pity is that none of the digital Avant Garde versions with which I am familiar include any of the ligatures. So we only have access to the least interesting aspect of the fonts.
>> Edited by bosscerbera on Tuesday 1st November 18:21
What about a "Kenwood" or "I have the fastest Cerbera" sticker on the rear window? not meaning to cause any offence as each to their own, but imho chav. I think that is what the general public will think. On a race car with lots of other livery it would look good, but not on a classic sports car.
daggart said:
I guess from many of the commments on here i should of had ' TVR trackcar solutions ' written on the side of the Cerb!.
I think sill lettering's fine - 10% smaller and in chrome would make all the difference. IIRC the Speed Twelve letters were chrome.
My 4.5 has chrome letters:
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