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Still won't be the same though... the K-series Elise I feel in a few decades will become the classic Elise... I think with all these things as they achieve classic status, the earlier ones will become the most sought after.... anyone who's driven a flat-floor e-type will know that it's the most uncomfortable and least user-friendly of the lot (and not the fastest either)... yet they make a premium over the others... those with early S1s should think about holding onto them for posterity 
the most sought after classic elise's will be the the elises that were the best regarded or the ones produced in low numbers, and the most desirable varients will be the ones that combined both the above traits, one thing that always seems to hold true of a car is whats true of a car when new will be true when its 30 years old. so if they stopped making elises tomorrow you's only have to cast your eye of the whole range and the best regarded s1 an s2 varients of today will be the best regarded 30 years hence
peter450... true... with a BUT in there...
I think the early standard cars will become more collectable beyond what they are now, just because after the first elise chasiss off the line the car's evolved away from its original concept since. Again to use the e-type as an example, it's the early ones that make the most money despite having the most shortfalls, because they're the most "classic", they're the closest representation of what Sir William Lyons and Malcolm Sayer wanted the car to be. Sure the Sport 135s, Sport 160s, 135Rs etc will all be worth their weight in gold, but a well-looked-after early S1 will too in time I feel.
I think the early standard cars will become more collectable beyond what they are now, just because after the first elise chasiss off the line the car's evolved away from its original concept since. Again to use the e-type as an example, it's the early ones that make the most money despite having the most shortfalls, because they're the most "classic", they're the closest representation of what Sir William Lyons and Malcolm Sayer wanted the car to be. Sure the Sport 135s, Sport 160s, 135Rs etc will all be worth their weight in gold, but a well-looked-after early S1 will too in time I feel.
Sorry to hi-jack but, I thought the whole point of a lightweight car was to use the most lightweight compnents available to them (K-Series) and also to remain a lightweight car. Why is there no longer any hope of getting a 700kg Elise? The 111R weighs a whopping 140Kg heavier than the standard 120Bhp Elise.
The engine must have something to do with it, but it cant all be down to that.
Combover
>> Edited by combover on Thursday 10th November 10:10
The engine must have something to do with it, but it cant all be down to that.
Combover
>> Edited by combover on Thursday 10th November 10:10
The K series has gone basically because no-one's producing it anymore so that's that basically until someone else starts churning them out.
Sure the 'yota lump is heavier, but then the whole S2 is heavier now due to refinement and enhancements. Classic case in Sportscar evolution - generally most get heavier.
'yota 140bhp lump is a better engine, no doubt, will be interesting to see what map it gets in the 'Standard' car (IF thats the way they go).
As for 'Classic' status. The S1 already is a classic, early one's are and will continue to be collectable by devotees. IMvHO the Sport 135 is the one to have, generally considered to be the best of the bunch (rareity, spec, performance etc.).
>> Edited by S Works on Thursday 10th November 11:29
Sure the 'yota lump is heavier, but then the whole S2 is heavier now due to refinement and enhancements. Classic case in Sportscar evolution - generally most get heavier.
'yota 140bhp lump is a better engine, no doubt, will be interesting to see what map it gets in the 'Standard' car (IF thats the way they go).
As for 'Classic' status. The S1 already is a classic, early one's are and will continue to be collectable by devotees. IMvHO the Sport 135 is the one to have, generally considered to be the best of the bunch (rareity, spec, performance etc.).
>> Edited by S Works on Thursday 10th November 11:29
S Works said:
The K series has gone basically because no-one's producing it anymore so that's that basically until someone else starts churning them out.
Sure the 'yota lump is heavier, but then the whole S2 is heavier now due to refinement and enhancements. Classic case in Sportscar evolution - generally most get heavier.
'yota 140bhp lump is a better engine, no doubt, will be interesting to see what map it gets in the 'Standard' car (IF thats the way they go).
As for 'Classic' status. The S1 already is a classic, early one's are and will continue to be collectable by devotees. IMvHO the Sport 135 is the one to have, generally considered to be the best of the bunch (rareity, spec, performance etc.).
>> Edited by S Works on Thursday 10th November 11:29
As usual we agree!
Also the K may be a light engine but rover were lazy, it is not easy to export and needs a bit of love to keep it ticking. Lets not forget that the 1.8K is basically a 1.2 engine re sleeved to achieve the larger displacement. No wonder there are a few cooling issues!
The toyota engine is reasonably light (obviously not as light as the K) very reliable, higher specific output, rugged and there is shed loads of mods. The basic block is still used in formula atlantic and is very similar to the 4-agze block.
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As for 'Classic' status. The S1 already is a classic, early one's are and will continue to be collectable by devotees. IMvHO the Sport 135 is the one to have, generally considered to be the best of the bunch (rareity, spec, performance etc.).
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Sport 160 SVA - its rare, got power, got quirks..... beats the 135( IMvHo ). I'm never selling - never never never
As for 'Classic' status. The S1 already is a classic, early one's are and will continue to be collectable by devotees. IMvHO the Sport 135 is the one to have, generally considered to be the best of the bunch (rareity, spec, performance etc.).
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Sport 160 SVA - its rare, got power, got quirks..... beats the 135( IMvHo ). I'm never selling - never never never
Thread Hijack Alert.....
Try:
www.elises.co.uk/models/sport160/index.html
if you still have questions - I'll mail you
combover said:
Sorry to do this, but can you e-mail me please, I want some info about the Sport 160.
Combover
Try:
www.elises.co.uk/models/sport160/index.html
if you still have questions - I'll mail you
Esprit said:
peter450... true... with a BUT in there...
I think the early standard cars will become more collectable beyond what they are now, just because after the first elise chasiss off the line the car's evolved away from its original concept since. Again to use the e-type as an example, it's the early ones that make the most money despite having the most shortfalls, because they're the most "classic", they're the closest representation of what Sir William Lyons and Malcolm Sayer wanted the car to be. Sure the Sport 135s, Sport 160s, 135Rs etc will all be worth their weight in gold, but a well-looked-after early S1 will too in time I feel.
the main reason the early e-types make the most money is because they were the best ones, the early cars had the nicest handling, and the best interior, and were the most sporty of the 3 models, the series 2 and 3 may have marginally improved the performance but they were'nt really a big step forward, an the v12 despite having the most power is now the least desired varient because its so heavy, more gt than sports car, that cant be said of the elise the latest type r may be heavier but it offers far superior performance and great handling aswell somthing the v12 jag could'nt claim over its earlier 3.8 cousin.
look at the orignal elans the pick of the bunch being the big valve sprint, the choice of today just as it was back then.
It doesnt matter so much were the car is in the overall model line up but how good it is in comparison to its peers in the range, i agree the early ones will be valued, but a standard s1 will be very unlikly to fetch more than a sport135 in a classic car auction in the year 2030, but the early standard s1 will be worth more than the later post mmc brake version i expect, as there lighter, and the brakes were very sophisticated designs well ahead of there time, somthing that will add to the apeal of the very early cars.
peter 450... then we're in exact agreement with basically every word you say.... the Limited edition models will always be more valuable because of their exclusivity.... moreso the genuine special editions (S135, S160, 135R etc as opposed to "Type 79" etc paint-job-and-wheels specials.
Esprit said:
peter 450... then we're in exact agreement with basically every word you say.... the Limited edition models will always be more valuable because of their exclusivity.... moreso the genuine special editions (S135, S160, 135R etc as opposed to "Type 79" etc paint-job-and-wheels specials.
yeah i guess we are kind of arguing the same point, its very hard to say whats gonna be more sought after in 30 years though, the genuine specials will withough doubt.
But out of a sport 135 s1 or sport 135 s2 now that would be much harder
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