It's decision time
Discussion
I, along with all the other Conservative party members, have received my ballot papers.
It's time to make a decision, according to a poll in the Times yesterday Davis has made up allot of ground among Tory Party members.
I could if I wanted sit on the fence and give them one vote each since, in a wonderful display of administrative efficiency, I have been sent two ballot papers, one addressed to me by my first name, the second by my middle name.
How would PH's be voting? last time we discussed this there seemed to be a majority for Cameron.
It's time to make a decision, according to a poll in the Times yesterday Davis has made up allot of ground among Tory Party members.
I could if I wanted sit on the fence and give them one vote each since, in a wonderful display of administrative efficiency, I have been sent two ballot papers, one addressed to me by my first name, the second by my middle name.
How would PH's be voting? last time we discussed this there seemed to be a majority for Cameron.
I've been taking a great interest in this over the past few weeks, and after carefully considering everything I've heard it'd be Cameron.
Davis is good but I feel at times he plays too much on his background and working class roots. Cameron might still be a little too young, but I think his fresh approach is the kind of filip (sp?) the party needs.
Davis is good but I feel at times he plays too much on his background and working class roots. Cameron might still be a little too young, but I think his fresh approach is the kind of filip (sp?) the party needs.
I'd go Cameron myself. He's good looking, that's what's needed to get the middle class women of the South voting for the conservatives again. Women love a smooth talking double glazing salesman whether they admit it or not, that's why they have been so loyal to Blair......he says "Just trust me, just give me the benefit of the doubt" with those those oh so pleading eyes.....and they cannot resist.
I see Davis as a better politician but Cameron to be more electable. Unfortunately much of politics currently seems to be based on the image of the candidate rather than their abilities. If the Conservative party are to get the vote of many voters who will these criteria to make their choice, then they need to get someone who can tick those boxes which I don't think Davis can do.
AlexH said:
Cameron isn't ready and Davis isn't up to it...so probably Davis; putting Cameron in now would screw his chances if/when he is ready for it in the future.
Very good point, don't need another Hague. Plus Davis has actually put some detail in to what he plans to do, instead of just making airy-fairy statements with no detail a-la-Cameron.
It's a tricky decision
On the one hand you have the question of who would make the best prime minister, which might well be Davis
On the other hand which of the two would give the Tories the best chance of returning to power, which would probably be Cameron.
Cameron has campaigned as a moderniser and is currently the media darling he also seems best placed to appeal to those who value image over substance (ie including many women)
I am inclining towards Cameron.
On the one hand you have the question of who would make the best prime minister, which might well be Davis
On the other hand which of the two would give the Tories the best chance of returning to power, which would probably be Cameron.
Cameron has campaigned as a moderniser and is currently the media darling he also seems best placed to appeal to those who value image over substance (ie including many women)
I am inclining towards Cameron.
wolves_wanderer said:
Very good point, don't need another Hague. Plus Davis has actually put some detail in to what he plans to do, instead of just making airy-fairy statements with no detail a-la-Cameron.
There is litle difference between the policies of the two candidates.
I think this contest is about personalities not policies.
Jaglover said:
in a wonderful display of administrative efficiency, I have been sent two ballot papers, one addressed to me by my first name, the second by my middle name.
Is that the tactic for the next election??
I don't think either are upto it...
The best one went out in the first round!
Jaglover said:
Very good point, don't need another Hague. Plus Davis has actually put some detail in to what he plans to do, instead of just making airy-fairy statements with no detail a-la-Cameron.
There is litle difference between the policies of the two candidates.
I think this contest is about personalities not policies.
If you vote on personalities it has to be Cameron.
wolves_wanderer said:
Cameron isn't ready and Davis isn't up to it...so probably Davis; putting Cameron in now would screw his chances if/when he is ready for it in the future.
Very good point, don't need another Hague. Plus Davis has actually put some detail in to what he plans to do, instead of just making airy-fairy statements with no detail a-la-Cameron.
As the other poster pointed out sadly if has very little to do with policies, debating ability or leadership but with how you come across on camera.
Both Hague and Howard have repeatedly deystroyed TB in house of commonns debates, that why Blair whereever possible avoids debate....he's simply no good at it. But both Hague and Howard look terrible on TV compared to Sincere Uncle Tony.
One of Blairs university chums described Blair as an "exceptionally talented actor" which he is, he is a fantastic salesman. Academically he is weak, he's easily led and naive....none of which matters because he looks good on TV.
The Economist summed up the issue nicely
The problem is not Tory party policies, probably 50% of the population would agree with most of them.
The problem is that they do not seem decent, or that they care about the common people.
Cameron seems decent and caring, Davis does not.
This is what modern politics is all about.
The problem is not Tory party policies, probably 50% of the population would agree with most of them.
The problem is that they do not seem decent, or that they care about the common people.
Cameron seems decent and caring, Davis does not.
This is what modern politics is all about.
Jaglover said:
The Economist summed up the issue nicely
The problem is not Tory party policies, probably 50% of the population would agree with most of them.
The problem is that they do not seem decent, or that they care about the common people.
Cameron seems decent and caring, Davis does not.
This is what modern politics is all about.
So is that 2 votes for Cameron then
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