First post.. Worth upgrading 993?
Discussion
OK I'm new here - so a bit of introduction - I am on my second 993 (first one '95 C2, now '96 varioram C2).
I love the car, the handling and feel is awesome. However after a couple of years, I want more speed
What isn't clear to me is whether it's worth my while hacking about with my 993 or simply changing the car. A 993RS would be fantasy land but I have no idea re: availability or cost. I'd love a 993TT but currently they seem to be expensive.
Are there any cost effective upgrades for the standard 993? I'm purely interested in engine power upgrades for now - the driver upgrades will happen when I get round to doing a load of trackdays...
As cash isn't infinite at the moment (esp. given current market conditions) insurance is also an issue - I currently pay 950 quid to insure the 993 and tripling this for a turbo or RS would make me think twice
Of course, it isn't essential, the 993 is a perfectly balanced car and a great drive. But so many bloody estate cars are being made these days that can leave me for dead, it just isn't right
I love the car, the handling and feel is awesome. However after a couple of years, I want more speed
What isn't clear to me is whether it's worth my while hacking about with my 993 or simply changing the car. A 993RS would be fantasy land but I have no idea re: availability or cost. I'd love a 993TT but currently they seem to be expensive.
Are there any cost effective upgrades for the standard 993? I'm purely interested in engine power upgrades for now - the driver upgrades will happen when I get round to doing a load of trackdays...
As cash isn't infinite at the moment (esp. given current market conditions) insurance is also an issue - I currently pay 950 quid to insure the 993 and tripling this for a turbo or RS would make me think twice
Of course, it isn't essential, the 993 is a perfectly balanced car and a great drive. But so many bloody estate cars are being made these days that can leave me for dead, it just isn't right
Welcome!
There isn't a huge amount you can do to a 993 that IMHO is worth doing, apart from exhaust/filter/chip which should get you up to almost 300bhp.
- You can chuck a supercharger on, but this has unreliability doubts and can alter the character of the car, ie less revvy and more torquey. Although this suits the midrange-biased 993 engine better than top end biased 964 engine, IMHO. Power goes up to about 360bhp, cost is about 6k. Insurance will be hiked a fair bit, I should think.
- You can tune the 993 engine up to 400bhp n/a, but this is very expensive. Say 10k?
At the end of the day, the strength of a 'normal' 993 is in its all round ability. They are superb sporting road cars, but not the best Porsche sports cars. Why change it into something it isn't?
If you want the useable performance, the 993 TT in LHD is an awesome car. Wet weather performance is superb.
If you want true track car seat-of-the-pants excitement, you must get a 993RS... or a 964RS if your budget is lower. You can get good insurance deals on these as they are classic cars etc. and you'd have plenty of change getting a 964RS.
Rgds
Domster
PS I know of a s/h 993RS suspension kit for a 993, reasonably priced, if you're interested. This sharpens up the slightly soft handling. Email me off line if need be.
There isn't a huge amount you can do to a 993 that IMHO is worth doing, apart from exhaust/filter/chip which should get you up to almost 300bhp.
- You can chuck a supercharger on, but this has unreliability doubts and can alter the character of the car, ie less revvy and more torquey. Although this suits the midrange-biased 993 engine better than top end biased 964 engine, IMHO. Power goes up to about 360bhp, cost is about 6k. Insurance will be hiked a fair bit, I should think.
- You can tune the 993 engine up to 400bhp n/a, but this is very expensive. Say 10k?
At the end of the day, the strength of a 'normal' 993 is in its all round ability. They are superb sporting road cars, but not the best Porsche sports cars. Why change it into something it isn't?
If you want the useable performance, the 993 TT in LHD is an awesome car. Wet weather performance is superb.
If you want true track car seat-of-the-pants excitement, you must get a 993RS... or a 964RS if your budget is lower. You can get good insurance deals on these as they are classic cars etc. and you'd have plenty of change getting a 964RS.
Rgds
Domster
PS I know of a s/h 993RS suspension kit for a 993, reasonably priced, if you're interested. This sharpens up the slightly soft handling. Email me off line if need be.
The best balance between usable power and money spent is a set of 100 cell sport cats, airfilter, and ecu re-map. This will increase power by around 30bhp - for around £1850-2k
You could increase the displacement to 3.8l, which will give RS response and a healthy bottom end torque increase. This will probably set you back £2500 or so.
You could fit a supercharger system, but you also need to change the tail to get the intercooler to fit - or else the system will only add around 50-60bhp - for £5k.
Give G-Force Motorsport a call. They have done some work on my 993 RS (345bhp) and know their way around these cars pretty well.
You could increase the displacement to 3.8l, which will give RS response and a healthy bottom end torque increase. This will probably set you back £2500 or so.
You could fit a supercharger system, but you also need to change the tail to get the intercooler to fit - or else the system will only add around 50-60bhp - for £5k.
Give G-Force Motorsport a call. They have done some work on my 993 RS (345bhp) and know their way around these cars pretty well.
Thanks everyone! It sounds like what I really want is an RS. The alternative is messing about with my standard car to make it more like an RS... I'm really confused now!
Modifying my car won't be cheap and the insurance will probably be a killer (souped up 911 sir? 
) It will go faster, but resale will probably be hit.
The RS sounds like what I really want - though I haven't actually ever seen one for sale (!), no idea about prices and no idea about whether they are more highly strung ownership-wise than the standard car (anyone care to enlighten me on this? I don't have a garage and if some of the weight savings were made at the expense of weather/rust protection then I could be letting myself in for trouble). Also since it would be parked on the street, perhaps it's rarity would encourage professional thieves?
The 993TT, as a standard 'showroom' car, would probably be more reliable etc. I guess it'd only need suspension work to be massively quick on the track... Any Turbo owners out there with higher mileage cars?? Do they cost massively more than the normal car to run??
And, of course (putting flamesuit on) there's always that new TVR that's just come out
- nah, not really...
Modifying my car won't be cheap and the insurance will probably be a killer (souped up 911 sir?
) It will go faster, but resale will probably be hit. The RS sounds like what I really want - though I haven't actually ever seen one for sale (!), no idea about prices and no idea about whether they are more highly strung ownership-wise than the standard car (anyone care to enlighten me on this? I don't have a garage and if some of the weight savings were made at the expense of weather/rust protection then I could be letting myself in for trouble). Also since it would be parked on the street, perhaps it's rarity would encourage professional thieves?
The 993TT, as a standard 'showroom' car, would probably be more reliable etc. I guess it'd only need suspension work to be massively quick on the track... Any Turbo owners out there with higher mileage cars?? Do they cost massively more than the normal car to run??
And, of course (putting flamesuit on) there's always that new TVR that's just come out
- nah, not really...Lx, although the racers are incomparable on the track ito raw thrills, for road use the Turbos ain't bad. One review said that the problem isn't just that you're in permanent danger of travelling way too fast all the time but that other motorists are in a slightly different space-time continuum wherein things happen at a slightly less frantic pace! So they are all the less able to predict that the tiny dot in their mirror will be snuffling the tarmac over their shoulder a bit quicker than otherwise anticipated.
(I think this is what may p1ss off certain unenlightened road users and invoke the occassional finger; that rate of advance is just so exceptional when the turbo spool is on song...)
Back to the track and I must confess that whilst the preferred weapon these days is the GT3 Cup type variants, a decently sprung Turbo will be an authorititive force on most circuits, especially in experienced hands. The limits are THAT high.
Dilemma though. Still, whichever you opt for, you can't lose.
(I think this is what may p1ss off certain unenlightened road users and invoke the occassional finger; that rate of advance is just so exceptional when the turbo spool is on song...)
Back to the track and I must confess that whilst the preferred weapon these days is the GT3 Cup type variants, a decently sprung Turbo will be an authorititive force on most circuits, especially in experienced hands. The limits are THAT high.
Dilemma though. Still, whichever you opt for, you can't lose.
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