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Watched some of the Remembrance Sunday coverage. Lots of people, many very elderly who have seen two World Wars. I never saw one....and I`m thankful for it!! Immediate thoughts were we will never see the like of them again and soon many may not be here. What must they think when they see the state of this country.............the lack of law and order, the lack of respect by lots of the scumbag youth of today and the politicians pathetic attempts to run this place. How things have changed................for the better because of people like the Veterans, for the worse since I was a kid!!!
I was'ent there of course, before I jump in,
Don't think it (1950's) was a rosy an image, as
'buds of may' would like to think,
but going by the memories of my own parents, it was work, work, and a bit of,
picknicking in the fields, following the war.
A distinct social order from the bank manager through to Police (men), handing out perfunctory
law & order at the street level, with a clip aside the ear,
Culminating in the Mods & Rockers/the Vietnam war in the distance,
and steady Darwinism,
right up untill the we achieved the very pinnacle, of sociality, that we now enjoy here in Great Britain.
What they would have made of Churchill or Chamberlain, pansying about whitehall with an (empty) guitar case garnering votes like Blair god only knows,
(mind you it might have been a ukulele bag then)
Don't think it (1950's) was a rosy an image, as
'buds of may' would like to think,
but going by the memories of my own parents, it was work, work, and a bit of,
picknicking in the fields, following the war.
A distinct social order from the bank manager through to Police (men), handing out perfunctory
law & order at the street level, with a clip aside the ear,
Culminating in the Mods & Rockers/the Vietnam war in the distance,
and steady Darwinism,
right up untill the we achieved the very pinnacle, of sociality, that we now enjoy here in Great Britain.
What they would have made of Churchill or Chamberlain, pansying about whitehall with an (empty) guitar case garnering votes like Blair god only knows,
(mind you it might have been a ukulele bag then)
It's all about perspective as much as anything else.
If you lived in inner city Glasgow in the 1930s or the East End of London in the 1950s, you might think that things are infinitely better now. Back in earlier days, the middle class suburbs and rural areas tended to be havens of peace and tranquility with everyone behaving "respectably" to each other. Crime was largely confined to poor inner city areas. What has happened is that crime is more evenly spread throughout the social classes now.And we are also much more aware of it too - mainly due to a hugely vociferous and ranting media which loves to "big up" every incident in order to sell their papers or grab your attention on TV.
That only has to be good - everyone treated equally badly etc.
If you lived in inner city Glasgow in the 1930s or the East End of London in the 1950s, you might think that things are infinitely better now. Back in earlier days, the middle class suburbs and rural areas tended to be havens of peace and tranquility with everyone behaving "respectably" to each other. Crime was largely confined to poor inner city areas. What has happened is that crime is more evenly spread throughout the social classes now.And we are also much more aware of it too - mainly due to a hugely vociferous and ranting media which loves to "big up" every incident in order to sell their papers or grab your attention on TV.
That only has to be good - everyone treated equally badly etc.
I think similar crime existed, but the medium to report such matters, especially globally, was not there.
We could not get ideas from other countries so easily.
I think with technology leaping forward, this enabled the 'masses' to see what was happening elsewhere.
Plus, changes in laws, human rights acts etc etc etc have changed matters. Some would say for the better, some for the worse.
In the 50's our families existed within their particular area, and generally stayed there with it's isolated problems. Now, we're global we get the lot.
We could not get ideas from other countries so easily.
I think with technology leaping forward, this enabled the 'masses' to see what was happening elsewhere.
Plus, changes in laws, human rights acts etc etc etc have changed matters. Some would say for the better, some for the worse.
In the 50's our families existed within their particular area, and generally stayed there with it's isolated problems. Now, we're global we get the lot.
I dunno where people get these crazy ideas the past was somehow better, must be all those cringeworthy propaganda films doing their job 
Crime and debauchery have always occured, we just don't bother to pretend it doesn't anymore. Religion also has much less of a stranglehold on deciding morality than it used to.
Crime and debauchery have always occured, we just don't bother to pretend it doesn't anymore. Religion also has much less of a stranglehold on deciding morality than it used to.
simpo two said:
Thats right, crime and lack of respect were non-existent in their day
But crime wasn't imported and lack of respect wasn't encouraged. People aspired upwards, not downwards.
I'll give you the lack of respect bit, but it is rubbish to suggest that crime wasn't "imported" historically. Criminals have come to the UK for centuries. The large influx of French in the 16th & 17th centuries, the Irish in the 18th & 19th C's - all brought their fair share of scummers & with the majority that did us good. A fair number of those seeking a new life in the US were crims & what about Australia?
Eric Mc said:
It's all about perspective as much as anything else.
If you lived in inner city Glasgow in the 1930s or the East End of London in the 1950s, you might think that things are infinitely better now. Back in earlier days, the middle class suburbs and rural areas tended to be havens of peace and tranquility with everyone behaving "respectably" to each other. Crime was largely confined to poor inner city areas. What has happened is that crime is more evenly spread throughout the social classes now.And we are also much more aware of it too - mainly due to a hugely vociferous and ranting media which loves to "big up" every incident in order to sell their papers or grab your attention on TV.
That only has to be good - everyone treated equally badly etc.
Some good points Eric
But I think we have seen an explosion of crime AND it's spread to areas previously untouched.
We're all in it together now 
I grant that there may have been a short period in British history where crime levels may had been realtively low (1910 to 1960 maybe?). Other than that, I reckon crime has always been fairly high. Compared to the 18th Century, we are probably experiencing much, much lower crime levels. After all, before 1829, there were no policemen - anywhere!
>> Edited by Eric Mc on Sunday 13th November 22:04
I grant that there may have been a short period in British history where crime levels may had been realtively low (1910 to 1960 maybe?). Other than that, I reckon crime has always been fairly high. Compared to the 18th Century, we are probably experiencing much, much lower crime levels. After all, before 1829, there were no policemen - anywhere!
>> Edited by Eric Mc on Sunday 13th November 22:04
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