ANPR /Specs Tracked Cop Killers?
Discussion
Chaps,
This may be in discussion somewhere else on this forum - apologies if it is, but I couldn't find it.
Reading the BBC website, it looks like the killers of the policewoman in Bradford last week were tracked in their getaway by car registration plate tracking cameras - ANPR-type things. (A few) more details here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/4455918.
Interesting, as PH seems united on the fact that the killers of this copper deserves everying that is coming to them (which I happen to agree with), but is divided over the merits of the system used to do this tracking. I guess the answer is that the end doesn't justify the means, but it is good to see this technology being used well, for a highly desirable end.
Oli.
This may be in discussion somewhere else on this forum - apologies if it is, but I couldn't find it.
Reading the BBC website, it looks like the killers of the policewoman in Bradford last week were tracked in their getaway by car registration plate tracking cameras - ANPR-type things. (A few) more details here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/4455918.
Interesting, as PH seems united on the fact that the killers of this copper deserves everying that is coming to them (which I happen to agree with), but is divided over the merits of the system used to do this tracking. I guess the answer is that the end doesn't justify the means, but it is good to see this technology being used well, for a highly desirable end.
Oli.
zcacogp said:
Chaps,
This may be in discussion somewhere else on this forum - apologies if it is, but I couldn't find it.
Reading the BBC website, it looks like the killers of the policewoman in Bradford last week were tracked in their getaway by car registration plate tracking cameras - ANPR-type things. (A few) more details here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/4455918.
Interesting, as PH seems united on the fact that the killers of this copper deserves everying that is coming to them (which I happen to agree with), but is divided over the merits of the system used to do this tracking. I guess the answer is that the end doesn't justify the means, but it is good to see this technology being used well, for a highly desirable end.
Oli.
Let's hope they've not used the dvla database to get addresses otherwise there's a good chance that half a dozen people will haved had a trip up the M1 for nothing.
I think maybe because she's still dead.
Useful for crime detection, but not for prevention.
Well except for speeding I suppose.
Having said that, they could achieve what they acheived with ANPR on each motorway exit and not every 400 yards down the motorway as has been proposed.
I hope they don't use this poor womans death as a political tool, but you know they will.
Useful for crime detection, but not for prevention.
Well except for speeding I suppose.
Having said that, they could achieve what they acheived with ANPR on each motorway exit and not every 400 yards down the motorway as has been proposed.
I hope they don't use this poor womans death as a political tool, but you know they will.
wedg1e said:
Well they would glorify it wouldn't they; but what's to bet the scum drove ten miles in the 'wrong' direction, dumped the car and switched to another? AND they were almost certainly all stolen anyway.
What, you mean your regular armed robber doesn't register and insure his own vehicle...now there's a surprise!
esselte said:
Well they would glorify it wouldn't they; but what's to bet the scum drove ten miles in the 'wrong' direction, dumped the car and switched to another? AND they were almost certainly all stolen anyway.
What, you mean your regular armed robber doesn't register and insure his own vehicle...now there's a surprise!
OK, I'll rephrase that: what a f**king waste of time. Better?
wedg1e said:
Well they would glorify it wouldn't they; but what's to bet the scum drove ten miles in the 'wrong' direction, dumped the car and switched to another? AND they were almost certainly all stolen anyway.
What, you mean your regular armed robber doesn't register and insure his own vehicle...now there's a surprise!
OK, I'll rephrase that: what a f**king waste of time. Better?
I think we agree
wedg1e said:
Well they would glorify it wouldn't they; but what's to bet the scum drove ten miles in the 'wrong' direction, dumped the car and switched to another? AND they were almost certainly all stolen anyway.
Don't think it matters whether the car is stolen .... from the BBC website it stated that the number of the Bradford getaway vehicle was noted - then entered into the ANPR system such that every time the vehicle in question passed an ANPR camera its postiion was flagged up or "pinged" - this is I think how they tracked it out of Bradford and ( I guess ) South to London. Seems like auseful system to me.
anonymous said:
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I suspect the government would rather keep it that way. The last thing they want is a happy, safe, prosperous population. It would highlight how superfluous politicians are. A dodgy NHS, high tax and a police service on the brink of collapse gives them something to promise for the next election....
Back O/T: It looks as though the police have tipped their hand a little in this situation. The ability to electronically pursue a particular car is a trick worth keeping to yourself. Lets face it, it wouldn't be that difficult to foil would it?
I don't care about ANPR, I care about them using it to keep a log of everyones movements for several years along with massively too many cameras for that job, also used for enforcing speed limits.
If it was just to trigger an alert when known looked for cars went by that would be fine. Keeping a log of where every citizen goes isn't.
MilnerR said:
Back O/T: It looks as though the police have tipped their hand a little in this situation. The ability to electronically pursue a particular car is a trick worth keeping to yourself. Lets face it, it wouldn't be that difficult to foil would it?
Well precisely. Next time there'll be three or four small-time crims brought in to drive decoy cars, all with the same number plates...DanH said:
I don't care about ANPR, I care about them using it to keep a log of everyones movements for several years along with massively too many cameras for that job, also used for enforcing speed limits.
If it was just to trigger an alert when known looked for cars went by that would be fine. Keeping a log of where every citizen goes isn't.
Indeed that would be my worry too. Not only could it track you but of course will also now the speed you are doing.
jas xjr said:
i was a little surprised at the sight of the convoy heading up the motorway, on the news last night, at least 10 vehicles. rather excessive i thought
Keeping the suspects separate is rather fundamental don't you think?
Putting them in different nicks for questioning is also rather fundamental don't you think?
Mind you there will be bleeding heart liberal along in a minute saying it is an abuse of human rights to tell suspect A that suspect B is singing like a canary and so on. Thus they all drop each other in the brown and smelly.
Personally don't see owt wrong with that OR the convoy.
Thats what I had to explain to a work mate.
The ANPR can only look at numberplates. It doesn't stop people getting shot, it doesn't do anything except watch mercilessly, numberplates.
The only reason they were useful here is that the numberplate of the car at the crime scene was tracked. Ignore names, databases, addresses etc, the numberplate went from a to b, and the system knew that, and that was all it knew.
Now, any person who shoots police will remove the plate, or change the plate, or simply edit a few select letters with a marker pen. Throw a bit of wet newspaper on it even?
Chances are the car was stolen, but that didn't matter, the owner is not in question, it's where that specifc plate was tracked to using ANPR...
So, great system, this once. Now people are aware they can be followed using it, they'll defeat it very simply, as the system is ultimately flawed as it specialises in one thing!
Now, if they used more TrafPol and Plod on the beat, who can multitask, they can solve all manner of crimes, or even prevent them in the first place.... ahhhhh! Better than relying on some ANPR camera's to solve a crime after it's already bloody happened!
Dave
The ANPR can only look at numberplates. It doesn't stop people getting shot, it doesn't do anything except watch mercilessly, numberplates.
The only reason they were useful here is that the numberplate of the car at the crime scene was tracked. Ignore names, databases, addresses etc, the numberplate went from a to b, and the system knew that, and that was all it knew.
Now, any person who shoots police will remove the plate, or change the plate, or simply edit a few select letters with a marker pen. Throw a bit of wet newspaper on it even?
Chances are the car was stolen, but that didn't matter, the owner is not in question, it's where that specifc plate was tracked to using ANPR...
So, great system, this once. Now people are aware they can be followed using it, they'll defeat it very simply, as the system is ultimately flawed as it specialises in one thing!
Now, if they used more TrafPol and Plod on the beat, who can multitask, they can solve all manner of crimes, or even prevent them in the first place.... ahhhhh! Better than relying on some ANPR camera's to solve a crime after it's already bloody happened!
Dave
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