Parents not to blame???
Discussion
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/4464836
People have had to work for generations and still look after their kids. If they were able to maintain discipline then why can't this woman?
Although I don't have kids (yet), if one of them were to be sent home from school they'd be on the receiving end of some stiff discipline!
Silly cow said:
Because I have to go to work I don't have time to be strict.
People have had to work for generations and still look after their kids. If they were able to maintain discipline then why can't this woman?
Although I don't have kids (yet), if one of them were to be sent home from school they'd be on the receiving end of some stiff discipline!
to be fair the child when is school is the responsibilty of the school to a small extent this does not however remove the total responsibilities from the parent.
This child needs some input from the services outside of school
such as behaviour support and maybe even educational Psychology services.
If she is being disruptive it could be a symptom of an underlying condition.
The climbing on the school roof sounds very erm!!!! naughty though and as a person who deals with SEN every day as my vocation and job even I would be tempted to say This Child needs disipline.
exlcusion is a treat for a child though. It is a measure that punishes the parent and not the child. If It is used for a child that just needs disipline that that is fine,but it should not be used when a child has underlying special needs.These needs have to be adressed by the local LEA.
This child needs some input from the services outside of school
such as behaviour support and maybe even educational Psychology services.
If she is being disruptive it could be a symptom of an underlying condition.
The climbing on the school roof sounds very erm!!!! naughty though and as a person who deals with SEN every day as my vocation and job even I would be tempted to say This Child needs disipline.
exlcusion is a treat for a child though. It is a measure that punishes the parent and not the child. If It is used for a child that just needs disipline that that is fine,but it should not be used when a child has underlying special needs.These needs have to be adressed by the local LEA.
Its the parents job to teach respect to children, most importantly respect for adults. If this child respected adults then she wouldn't be causing trouble in school. When i was a kid, i managed to understand what this meanth and so did almost every other kid. This seems lacking in a lot of kids today.
>> Edited by scorp on Friday 25th November 11:06
>> Edited by scorp on Friday 25th November 11:06
Silly Cow also said:
The teachers aren't doing enough, they need to be stricter. I have given them permission to be harder on her but they can't because of the times we live in.
Which is a ridiculous situation. If a parent knows their child requires a certain level of disipline, and makes the school aware of this, for the school to not respond is dereliction of duty, just taking the easy way out and that's very wrong IMO.
scorp said:
Its the parents job to teach respect to children, most importantly respect for adults. If this child respected adults then she wouldn't be causing trouble in school. When i was a kid, i managed to understand what this meanth and so did almost every other kid. This seems lacking in a lot of kids today.
>> Edited by scorp on Friday 25th November 11:06
Too right, I distinctly remember one incident when a teacher complained to my parents about my behaviour. My parents were embarassed that I let them down and while I didn't like the punishment at the time, it worked... a teacher never had cause to complain about me since.
These days it seems as though parents are more like 'oh it couldn't have been my child, they're angels'. Imagine how the teacher must feel when some ditzy parent says that when the teacher knows the child is a little monster??
Discipline should be used to correct behaviour in children who don't behave themselves, not to punish them.
jessica said:
to be fair the child when is school is the responsibilty of the school to a small extent this does not however remove the total responsibilities from the parent.
This child needs some input from the services outside of school
such as behaviour support and maybe even educational Psychology services.
If she is being disruptive it could be a symptom of an underlying condition.
The climbing on the school roof sounds very erm!!!! naughty though and as a person who deals with SEN every day as my vocation and job even I would be tempted to say This Child needs disipline.
exlcusion is a treat for a child though. It is a measure that punishes the parent and not the child. If It is used for a child that just needs disipline that that is fine,but it should not be used when a child has underlying special needs.These needs have to be adressed by the local LEA.
I am a strong believer that the child's behaviour is a reflection of the parents and knowing the boundaries is the responsabilty of the parent and only the parent.
No point allowing this spoilt brat to disrupt the classe's routine then everyone will end up disadvantaged because of one pest.
If the parent keeps blaming the school and not admit she made a botch job out of raising her kid, then that girl stands no chance in life.
Parents should stop passing the buck for their children's behaviour, and claiming their offsprings are good natured really just rough on the edges.That's clap trap and a cop-out!
The LEA's job is to educate your children not raise them for you, so if things go mammaries moonward with your daughter/son you have somebody to blame.
Punishment is the parent's duty, and if my child was expelled from school they can bet their sweet arse they'll be grounded in their bedroom copying 10000 times "I'll never misbehave at school" till their tiny fingers bleed.Bet you they'll know their boundaries after that.
Please let's stop giving naughty spoilt brats technical terms used by social workers and overpaid psychologists to explain their "underlying condition".The only condition this disruptive overindulged girl suffers from is " lackofagoodslaptitus"!
mattley said:Teachers have plenty to do without trying to discipline kids who have been spoilt from the age of 0.
If a parent knows their child requires a certain level of disipline, and makes the school aware of this, for the school to not respond is dereliction of duty, just taking the easy way out and that's very wrong IMO.
Unfortunately there are only two ways of disciplining a child. Lets call one aggressive, smacking, sending to room, shouting and so on. The other is more passive which I would say is withdrawing attention, treats etc.
Trouble is if you don't have time to indulge your childrens interests, don't spend time reading to them, or teaching them how to enjoy time with you, then you have nothing to remove and end up automatically reverting to the aggresive approach.
But I have to say as distasteful as it is I would even prefer aggresive to indifference
Trouble is if you don't have time to indulge your childrens interests, don't spend time reading to them, or teaching them how to enjoy time with you, then you have nothing to remove and end up automatically reverting to the aggresive approach.
But I have to say as distasteful as it is I would even prefer aggresive to indifference
I saw a tv prog once about a little girl who had appalling behaviour. I felt that quite clearly the child was ill. She clearly had a mental problem that needed addressing. The mother was a chav single parent with other kids. However she also had the patience of a saint, and those who saw the prog that I spoke to all had praise for the mother. But she really, really struggled to get help for her child, in this wonderful country of ours.
None of her other children suufered from any behavioural problems, in fact they all seemed great kids who had a lot to put up with, such was the problems of their little sister.
It was plainly obvious that something was wrong with that child, but getting treatment for her was almost impossible.
None of her other children suufered from any behavioural problems, in fact they all seemed great kids who had a lot to put up with, such was the problems of their little sister.
It was plainly obvious that something was wrong with that child, but getting treatment for her was almost impossible.
I saw a tv prog once about a little girl who had appalling behaviour. I felt that quite clearly the child was ill. She clearly had a mental problem that needed addressing. The mother was a chav single parent with other kids. However she also had the patience of a saint, and those who saw the prog that I spoke to all had praise for the mother. But she really, really struggled to get help for her child, in this wonderful country of ours.
None of her other children suufered from any behavioural problems, in fact they all seemed great kids who had a lot to put up with, such was the problems of their little sister.
It was plainly obvious that something was wrong with that child, but getting treatment for her was almost impossible. Made me ashamed of my country, to be quite honest.
>> Edited by heebeegeetee on Friday 25th November 17:49
None of her other children suufered from any behavioural problems, in fact they all seemed great kids who had a lot to put up with, such was the problems of their little sister.
It was plainly obvious that something was wrong with that child, but getting treatment for her was almost impossible. Made me ashamed of my country, to be quite honest.
>> Edited by heebeegeetee on Friday 25th November 17:49
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