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blueone

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133 posts

252 months

Friday 25th November 2005
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With the increasing inclement weather and being one of those who uses his car every day for 25 miles each way thought it was time to sort out the front fog lights that haven't work since I have had the car.

So into the garage Steve Heath book in hand wiring diagrams look simple (originally qualified as an aircraft engineer so this will be simple).
Look behind centre console no wires in the switch. Even easier than I thought plug must have come out, remove console, no plug. Back to book defiantly shows one, this is a TVR though so trace wire from light to fuse box and relay tray. The book says the fuse box is behind the glove box but its not its above the ECU. Is this normal if so does anyone have a diagram of which fuse is which and which relay is which. Anyway trace wires and find that light should come on with main beam. So back to basics check for power and earth at lights fix new earth, lights work. But why is the switch there if they are wired as driving lights does it just fill a hole from earlier cars.

Is the switch the mod or the wiring

Another question for the weekend in the garage is it normal for the headlights to come up when only side lights are switched on. If not has anyone had this problem before?

any advise welcome

the car is an 89 350i

Phil

AM400

1,196 posts

292 months

Friday 25th November 2005
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Is the switch just for rear fog lights? I only have a rear switch on my 400.
The lights pop up on my car with sidelights switched on The headlights also have a sidelight incorporated, must admit I was thinking of altering the wiring to keep them down.

Andy

blueone

Original Poster:

133 posts

252 months

Friday 25th November 2005
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No also have switch for rear fogs. No side lights in my head lights or perhaps thats just something else I need to add reconstruct the earth to.

number 7

4,113 posts

291 months

Friday 25th November 2005
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blueone said:
With the increasing inclement weather and being one of those who uses his car every day for 25 miles each way thought it was time to sort out the front fog lights that haven't work since I have had the car.

So into the garage Steve Heath book in hand wiring diagrams look simple (originally qualified as an aircraft engineer so this will be simple).
Look behind centre console no wires in the switch. Even easier than I thought plug must have come out, remove console, no plug. Back to book defiantly shows one, this is a TVR though so trace wire from light to fuse box and relay tray. The book says the fuse box is behind the glove box but its not its above the ECU. Is this normal if so does anyone have a diagram of which fuse is which and which relay is which. Anyway trace wires and find that light should come on with main beam. So back to basics check for power and earth at lights fix new earth, lights work. But why is the switch there if they are wired as driving lights does it just fill a hole from earlier cars.

Is the switch the mod or the wiring

Another question for the weekend in the garage is it normal for the headlights to come up when only side lights are switched on. If not has anyone had this problem before?

any advise welcome

the car is an 89 350i

Phil


The lower front lights are driving lights, not fog lights, and as such must only be wired to activate when main beam is selected. The switch on the panel must be for the rear fogs, but I don't understand why there is no plug. TVR did change the wiring at some point (lighting reg. change?) so that the headlamps come up when only sidelights selected. Seems a bit pointless, so I modded mine so they stay down on sides only - got to be worth a good 10MPH and also wired the driving lights on a independent switch.

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badredwedge

3,450 posts

257 months

Friday 25th November 2005
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My 88 350 (which was a bit odd) had front fog lamps with a swith on the dash and the pods only came up with the headlights.

wedg1e

27,034 posts

294 months

Friday 25th November 2005
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In the late 80s that stupid dim/dip thing was introduced that required the dipped beams to light dimly, along with sidelights. That probably explains the pods coming up on sidelights.
Not sure when it was binned but cars don't seem to have it now...

l33

3,469 posts

253 months

Friday 25th November 2005
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Sorted mine 2 weeks ago ('87 350i)

They are not fog lights, but driving lights (despite what the switch says).

If you put your main beam headlights on (lights on, pods in the raised position, indicatior switch forward) and then the so labelled fog light switch toggles the driving lights on / off and the switch illuminates accordingly.

Mine was a loose diode poking into the side of a relay (there are 2 concerned and the Steve Heath bible explains them) plenty of WD40 and a bit of a wiggle on the diode sorted them.

Side lights do not put the pods in the upright position, only when headlights are on full do the light pods raise.

Now when I pull the indicator switch back to flash someone (like when you pass a fellow wedger), the lamp pods do not raise but the driving lights do the flashing.

The Bible wiring diagram was really useful after I had understood the colour code (its the same as Triumph used on Spitfires):

B=Black
G=Green
K=Pink
FG=Light Green
N=Brown
O=Orange
P=Purple
S=Slate
U=Blue
W=White
Y=Yellow
R=Red

Hope you get them sorted.

L33

>> Edited by l33 on Friday 25th November 18:03

grahamw48

9,944 posts

267 months

Friday 25th November 2005
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Ok, on my late '88 car, the pods raise with sidelights on.

Wedgie:

- that dim dip thing is still in force.
My Rover's headlights come on slightly when sidelights are on.

A pity some dimwits don't use ANY lights in the lousy weather this past week.

Wouldn't you like to give some people a good slap....blinding rear fogs on in rain, or storming up behind you in the outside lane in thick spray, with no bloody lights at all !

One day a 40 tonner will pull out while they're alongside.

gsx600

2,740 posts

277 months

Saturday 26th November 2005
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grahamw48 said:


Wouldn't you like to give some people a good slap....blinding rear fogs on in rain, or storming up behind you in the outside lane in thick spray, with no bloody lights at all !

One day a 40 tonner will pull out while they're alongside.


Mind you I drove from Reading to Teeside the other night and by the time I got to Leeds it would have seemed that my lights weren't on either, stopped and had to wipe so much crud of them. Managed to see again and settle back to Warp 9 for the rest of the journey

david.h

445 posts

277 months

Tuesday 29th November 2005
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What is all this soft talk about COLOURED wires! "Tha dont know tha born" try it in all black with all beige tracers!!!