GTR & side windows...
Discussion
Ok I've FINALLY got into a position where I can afford to get my ultima 
I've seen pics of a black GTR without the side windows. I'm wondering if the owner is on this board or if anyone else has done this, and whether they're relatively easy to remove or whether it's more of a permanent thing?
BTW, Doc if you're still out there I wouldn't mind using the 1UZFE
I've seen pics of a black GTR without the side windows. I'm wondering if the owner is on this board or if anyone else has done this, and whether they're relatively easy to remove or whether it's more of a permanent thing?
BTW, Doc if you're still out there I wouldn't mind using the 1UZFE
I think the GTR in question belongs to Ken Wright. I didn't see him in the PH members directory but he is a member of the USA Ultima Club so you can contact him through there.
Brad Z
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steve_d said:
There's a GTR in the UK with opening side windows.
Not sure i'm happy with what resulted as a slightly flimsy arrangement.
Steve
I have seen that? car too on the open day in august by the factory! a nice result! its the car with the superb interior, I have apicture see this, it uses the mechanisme of a peugeot 205? backside windows, a click system, see the picture of mine, don't look at the chrome parts
a bit too shinie for my taste. 
and here a better view how it works...
René
>> Edited by GTRene on Monday 28th November 10:18
I saw the black car at the factory day. What he did is attach 2 hinges at the front and a latch to the rear of the side windowsand installed a rubber seal on the window reveal. It seemed however that without a frame it was a bit flimsy. I agree with Rene, the hinges and latch looked like something from a rear-side window of a 2 door.
I have a construction business in Hong Kong and we do quite a bit of specialist glazing, stainless steelwork, aluminium work etc and have acess to some very well equipped and very capable fabricators in China.I am going to use some of my favours to get a 2 piece frame made with a seal and some neat hinges and a decent latch system.....
I see you are from Sydney, I understand that in OZ you need to be able to open the side windows in order to be able to give hand signals... I guess its the police ensuring that you can give other drivers (and the cops?) "the finger" as you fly by?? Good idea really!
Anyway, the hinged type of window system still may not allow you to give the finger properly so you may not comply with this regulation.... try searching the old threads here and you will see a blue GTR with a Ford engine for sale (in QLD I recall). This guy has fitted sliding side vents like they do on the GT40's. They spoil the look of the side windows but will get you thru rego.
I understand that Dick Johnson built a few GTR's and had some sort of low volume (8?) ARD approval... they obviously all had Ford engines because of Dick's connections, I guess this car is one of them. I understand they had to pass more stringent emissions testing where they put the car in a sealed container and check all emissions.... this necessitated the use of teflon fuel lines, charcoal canisters on the tanks and a few other special mods... Ted told me about this - maybe you could drill him for some more info. Maybe Dick Johnson Racing could help also.
"I understand that in OZ you need to be able to open the side windows in order to be able to give hand signals"
Wow I never realized the ADR were so thoughtful!!! The idea was simply because I like having windows down when I drive. Just like to be able to hear what's happening around me. Never even realized that this was law. The windows alone are enough to sway me towards a can-am.
"try searching the old threads here and you will see a blue GTR with a Ford engine for sale (in QLD I recall)."
Still is for sale, and I have to say it looks awesome. Too bad it's out of my price range.
Thanks for the post, I thought it was just emissions that'd be a problem (just go with an ls1) but I guess there's more to it. That's ok though, the car is worth it.
Wow I never realized the ADR were so thoughtful!!! The idea was simply because I like having windows down when I drive. Just like to be able to hear what's happening around me. Never even realized that this was law. The windows alone are enough to sway me towards a can-am.
"try searching the old threads here and you will see a blue GTR with a Ford engine for sale (in QLD I recall)."
Still is for sale, and I have to say it looks awesome. Too bad it's out of my price range.
Thanks for the post, I thought it was just emissions that'd be a problem (just go with an ls1) but I guess there's more to it. That's ok though, the car is worth it.
Ahh.... so you dont want to give the cops finger - you want to give em the fist!!!
You'd better check carefully that you can register the Ultima in NSW. I heard that you can get around some rego rules if a car is a replica or a street rod, but heard this does not apply to the Ultima cos its not a replica of anything. This is only what I have heard and may be a load of crap. I would be very keen to hear the truth. I had a similar thing here in Hong Kong and did some research and some brown nosing and have managed to work a way around the bureaucracy.
Try callin the guys selling that Ultima in OZ and see if its one of the DJ ones and see if it has ADR compliance... let us know what they say.
>> Edited by crafty on Tuesday 29th November 04:07
You'd better check carefully that you can register the Ultima in NSW. I heard that you can get around some rego rules if a car is a replica or a street rod, but heard this does not apply to the Ultima cos its not a replica of anything. This is only what I have heard and may be a load of crap. I would be very keen to hear the truth. I had a similar thing here in Hong Kong and did some research and some brown nosing and have managed to work a way around the bureaucracy.
Try callin the guys selling that Ultima in OZ and see if its one of the DJ ones and see if it has ADR compliance... let us know what they say.
>> Edited by crafty on Tuesday 29th November 04:07
"Ahh.... so you dont want to give the cops finger - you want to give em the fist!!! "
Better done on a 600+ sportsbike
"You'd better check carefully that you can register the Ultima in NSW"
I know there was a yellow ultima is nsw, dunno if it was registered or track only. Doc Fudge was also looking at getting an ultima (lives in nsw) and he didn't mention anything to me about no being able to register it, just that emissions was pretty strict.
Wonder if Doc is still around, he'd know all this stuff.
Better done on a 600+ sportsbike
"You'd better check carefully that you can register the Ultima in NSW"
I know there was a yellow ultima is nsw, dunno if it was registered or track only. Doc Fudge was also looking at getting an ultima (lives in nsw) and he didn't mention anything to me about no being able to register it, just that emissions was pretty strict.
Wonder if Doc is still around, he'd know all this stuff.
Hi I’m also from OZ, Melbourne Victoria
Crafty raised an interesting point in his post, something which I think might have been overlooked by a lot of potential OZ builders.
“I understand that Dick Johnson built a few GTR's and had some sort of low volume ARD approval”
From what I remember this was done by a company called “Ultima Cars Australia”, and they built a number of ultimas that fully complied with the ADR and were registered as a legitimate “Ultima” not as a Individually Constructed Vehicle(ICV). As Such the Department Of Transport (DOT), now has a folder in their files for dealing specifically with Ultimas. As such if a Ultima chasie is imported into Australia it may be required to meet al the requirements that would go along with the SEVS compliancing and other low volume rulings (same way they import Nissan Skylines and Toyota Supras), which would mean that you might have to use the exact engine and spec that they did with the Ultima Cars Australia set up, registering it would also cost a lot more and you would need to have a registered automotive workshop as well, in short it would be a lot more expensive if this was the case than being able to go down the ICV route. In order to build and register one in Aus it might be easier to have a chasie built in Australia and then build the car on top of that and get it registered as an individually constructed vehicle, sounds crazie I know.
God I hope I’m wring on that, anyone got any other ideas on registration in OZ, things will probably vary from state to state. If you get one built and finished bring it down for the F1 Gp, I’m sure I could find room in the garage to store it while were at the race
As for the windows, I thought it was so that you could hand the police officer your licence/details without getting out of the car. Safety reason I think it is, as they would be responsible for your well being if they made you get out of the car, they prefer you to stay put unless necessary. If you still wanted to have something like the black car in GTRene’s post you might be able to get some windows made up out of thicker Perspex, and then have a rebate milled/routed into the edge of the Perspex so that it would still fit flush. If the hinge and latch arrangement for the window had a quick release feature then you could simply lift the window out when the weather was good enough, or open it wide enough to pass stuff through, if I remember correctly this was possible on the gt40 mk3
Crafty raised an interesting point in his post, something which I think might have been overlooked by a lot of potential OZ builders.
“I understand that Dick Johnson built a few GTR's and had some sort of low volume ARD approval”
From what I remember this was done by a company called “Ultima Cars Australia”, and they built a number of ultimas that fully complied with the ADR and were registered as a legitimate “Ultima” not as a Individually Constructed Vehicle(ICV). As Such the Department Of Transport (DOT), now has a folder in their files for dealing specifically with Ultimas. As such if a Ultima chasie is imported into Australia it may be required to meet al the requirements that would go along with the SEVS compliancing and other low volume rulings (same way they import Nissan Skylines and Toyota Supras), which would mean that you might have to use the exact engine and spec that they did with the Ultima Cars Australia set up, registering it would also cost a lot more and you would need to have a registered automotive workshop as well, in short it would be a lot more expensive if this was the case than being able to go down the ICV route. In order to build and register one in Aus it might be easier to have a chasie built in Australia and then build the car on top of that and get it registered as an individually constructed vehicle, sounds crazie I know.
God I hope I’m wring on that, anyone got any other ideas on registration in OZ, things will probably vary from state to state. If you get one built and finished bring it down for the F1 Gp, I’m sure I could find room in the garage to store it while were at the race
As for the windows, I thought it was so that you could hand the police officer your licence/details without getting out of the car. Safety reason I think it is, as they would be responsible for your well being if they made you get out of the car, they prefer you to stay put unless necessary. If you still wanted to have something like the black car in GTRene’s post you might be able to get some windows made up out of thicker Perspex, and then have a rebate milled/routed into the edge of the Perspex so that it would still fit flush. If the hinge and latch arrangement for the window had a quick release feature then you could simply lift the window out when the weather was good enough, or open it wide enough to pass stuff through, if I remember correctly this was possible on the gt40 mk3
" it might be easier to have a chasie built in Australia "
You mean assembled here or actually built (as in custom)??
I really hope that isn't the case, we already get ripped off as it is (maybe 75kUS before we start building??), although the car is still great value.
Guess I better check it out before I order anything. Maybe that one advertised will still be for sale in 6 months time lol.
You mean assembled here or actually built (as in custom)??
I really hope that isn't the case, we already get ripped off as it is (maybe 75kUS before we start building??), although the car is still great value.
Guess I better check it out before I order anything. Maybe that one advertised will still be for sale in 6 months time lol.
yeh, i meant getting somone to weld up a chasie localy, could even be exactly the same as the factory one, just localy made. Dont quote me on that, its just what ive heard. In victoria vicroads requires you individualy constructed vehicle (sorry Ultima kit car) to be assesed by a vic roads registered engineer, iwas going to go and talk to one about it but just havent had the time yet. definatly the first thing to do before ordering anything.
ezakimak said:
Hi I’m also from OZ, Melbourne Victoria
Hi Ryan,
I was born and grew up in Melbourne, Victoria (up until the age of 23). I'm now in the US, living in Minnesota and driving a red Ultima GTR that I just finished building here a few months ago.
Its great that you are interested in the Ultima. A bunch of my friends back home are astonished with the pictures that I send them of my car, but it would be awesome to have an Ultima actually in Melbourne.
Last time I was back, I was having a hard time explaining to everyone that the Ultima can run just fine at up to 320 km/hour, especially when driven down modern roads like the Eastern Freeway. I grew up in East Doncaster.
Best of luck with the build and getting it registered. Give me a shout directly at craig@craig-ultima.com if you want.
to craig
Thanks for the support Craig, Unfortunately I’m just an armchair builder at the moment, but am working towards it. I’m 25 at the moment, and have just finished a double degree at university and am about 8 months into my first year of full time work as an engineer. All ill say is that its in the transport industry, and that’s it. If I give out any more info people will start complaining when something goes wrong.
Thank you, for your excellent build web site. Very good photos and detail in general. I think that I have got it cached on both my home and work computers. By the way, nice house as well, I should get the keys after settlement in about a week (in Chadston), so after that’s done ill be able to progress the Ultima stakes.
Thanks for the support Craig, Unfortunately I’m just an armchair builder at the moment, but am working towards it. I’m 25 at the moment, and have just finished a double degree at university and am about 8 months into my first year of full time work as an engineer. All ill say is that its in the transport industry, and that’s it. If I give out any more info people will start complaining when something goes wrong.
Thank you, for your excellent build web site. Very good photos and detail in general. I think that I have got it cached on both my home and work computers. By the way, nice house as well, I should get the keys after settlement in about a week (in Chadston), so after that’s done ill be able to progress the Ultima stakes.
Bachelor of engineering (robotic and Mechatronics) and Applied Science (computer science and software engineering) at Swinburne University of Technology in Hawthorn. It’s a 5 year course, and I did a year of work experience in the middle of it at a company that makes Airbags and seat belts, as well as doing FMVSS testing. I graduated last year. I liked my course and only regret not getting involved in the formula SAE stuff that most of the Uni’s run these days.
In reference to removable windows, may be you could go further and work out some way of grafting the GTR roof section onto the Canam, giving it a removable hardtop. Can’t work out how you would get the windows to operate though maybe slide back into the recess of the rear tear drop shaped hard top. I think I would probably have the roof section from the GTR permanently attached to the removable full height screen of the Canam. When you remove the hard top you would then put that low Canam screen on, that would be pretty trick.
In reference to removable windows, may be you could go further and work out some way of grafting the GTR roof section onto the Canam, giving it a removable hardtop. Can’t work out how you would get the windows to operate though maybe slide back into the recess of the rear tear drop shaped hard top. I think I would probably have the roof section from the GTR permanently attached to the removable full height screen of the Canam. When you remove the hard top you would then put that low Canam screen on, that would be pretty trick.
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