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McNab

Original Poster:

1,627 posts

301 months

Friday 22nd November 2002
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Friends of the Earth have a rather scary poll on their website. You can vote for 'lower fuel taxes' or 'investment in public transport'.

The scary thing is that the vote in favour of public transport is running close to 90%, whereas a similar poll in June was 90% in favour of lower fuel taxes.

I would never even contemplate accusing such a Good Cause of dishonesty, but there does seem to be something strange here. Perhaps they should re-string their abacus....

Vote at www.foe.co.uk/campaigns/transport

DancingMoose

5,618 posts

285 months

Friday 22nd November 2002
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A group of us on evo got together to sabotage that a while back, hence the suprising result, but obviously we don't keep visiting like the tree-huggers do, so we were always destined to loose.

Looks like they've stopped accepting votes now anyway, I tried a few times but the counter didn't change.

McNab

Original Poster:

1,627 posts

301 months

Friday 22nd November 2002
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You don't get to see the result until after you've voted, and they've probably set up their abacus to reject multiple votes from one source.

Didn't think you could do anything so sophisticated with an abacus...

Don

28,378 posts

311 months

Friday 22nd November 2002
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Go on chaps. Get over there and vote....

The Wiz

5,875 posts

289 months

Friday 22nd November 2002
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Ok I've voted ... one of 577 people to do so. Actually the result is no surprise given that the people who visit that website think that way anyway ..... sel fufilling propechy I think they call it.

nevpugh308

4,454 posts

296 months

Friday 22nd November 2002
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578 ....

pdv6

16,442 posts

288 months

Friday 22nd November 2002
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... 579 ...

hertsbiker

6,443 posts

298 months

Friday 22nd November 2002
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The only bright side of better public transport, is that enthuisiast drivers get their roads back...

If public transport were to be 100% reliable, to your door, every 5 minutes, comfortable, clean, and safe... then maybe it would be worthwhile. Is this likely?

rthierry

684 posts

308 months

Friday 22nd November 2002
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...584... ratio now at 85% to 15% and counting!

granville

18,764 posts

288 months

Friday 22nd November 2002
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The Wiz said: Ok I've voted ... one of 577 people to do so. Actually the result is no surprise given that the people who visit that website think that way anyway ..... self fufilling propechy I think they call it.


Exactly.

Oi_Oi_Savaloy

2,315 posts

287 months

Friday 22nd November 2002
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589!

Dazren

22,612 posts

288 months

Friday 22nd November 2002
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592!

CarZee

13,382 posts

294 months

Friday 22nd November 2002
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[deja vu]
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=7018&f=23&h=0
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=10679&f=0&h=0
[/deja vu]

Get voting, chaps, and feel free to send a fax to Gordon Brown with the help of their website which provides you with an easily molested form letter...

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Dear Gordon Brown,

I am writing to ask to you to make cuts in the fuel tax.

I believe there are sound environmental, social and economic reasons for ignoring demands to maintain and increase fuel tax.

Climate change is fundamental to the nature of the planet - has been since long before we arrived, will be long after we perish.

It is said that motoring contributes to 25% of all man-made carbon dioxide emissions. However, it is also said that man-made emissions contribute in the region of 2.5% to the amount of greenhouse gases in our environment.

One volcanic eruption is capable of emitting more greenhouse gases than all of the cars on the planet in a year.

So, motoring accounts for 0.625% of the overall makeup of gases contributing to the 'greenhouse effect' without which the planet would be largely uninhabitable, being considerably colder.

Of couse, carbon-dioxide is not the only greenhouse gas, in fact it's not even the most abundant. Methane takes that honour - a gas produced by living matter in great quantities.

The biggest threat that we face today is the throttling of the economy by a faction determined to regulate, restrict and prohibit at every turn, enforcing restricion of free movement on the basis of a highly speculative if not entirely specious environmental argument.

The high fuel tax restricts the ability of British businesses to respond to the competition from other EU countries with whom we have free trade. Further, high fuel tax contributes to the significant financial burden on every car owning member of the public at a time when vast tracts of the country are practically inaccessible by public transport.

For these reasons I urge you to cut the fuel tax.

Finally, I'd like to thank the Friends of the Earth website for providing a platform for me to air my views.

Regards,
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moreymach

1,029 posts

293 months

Friday 22nd November 2002
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596 and 16.28% for fuel tax cuts

nubbin

6,809 posts

305 months

Friday 22nd November 2002
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598 now - keep 'em coming!! Oh, the joy of true democracy....

joospeed

4,473 posts

305 months

Friday 22nd November 2002
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nubbin said: 598 now - keep 'em coming!! Oh, the joy of true democracy....


it's polls like these that highlight why it's dangerous to let members of the general public vote on important issues.
Big YAY for lower tax

nevpugh308

4,454 posts

296 months

Friday 22nd November 2002
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Okay, so they're somehow (cookies ?) stopping multiple votes from the same PC.

Like most offices, there are numerous PC's around here ....

605

darrent

630 posts

286 months

Friday 22nd November 2002
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Sorry, I'm a computer geek! Watch the lower tax votes go screaming through the roof!!!

Log on a see...

Dan

1,068 posts

311 months

Friday 22nd November 2002
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70 - 30 now

Dazren

22,612 posts

288 months

Friday 22nd November 2002
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767?

darrent - WTF?

DAZ