RE: London Toll Zone
Friday 22nd November 2002
London Toll Zone
Govt report suggests tolls for 50 mile radius around London
Discussion
Read about this in the paper this morning. The report said that this scheme would be a test before it is possibly rolled out to the rest of the country so I wouldn't gloat to much. The report also said that they are considering it covering all types of road. The scheme would require a satellite receiver in every car. I'm positive that this would never be used to check for speeding. 
Oh god - the GPS system again. It won't work, it can't be policed, and a simple 20p tuned RC circuit on a 9V battery would render it totally useless in tracking you, but wouldn't appear any different to the unit than you were driving under a bridge.
If you want a great example of the problems with it - look at the total hash of E911 in the us - they have all junked GPS systems in favour of easier E-OTD systems...
Any GPS based system won't work!
J
If you want a great example of the problems with it - look at the total hash of E911 in the us - they have all junked GPS systems in favour of easier E-OTD systems...
Any GPS based system won't work! J
The thing is that they've already demonstrated that people can't be priced out of their cars. Who would have dreamed that we'd stump up the amount for a gallon of petrol that we now do? The petrol price escalator hasn't made any impact on road usage.
- Widen all motorways. It's not PC and for the sake of an extra 15 yards each side of the road it will make a huge difference to traffic flow. It will be good for the environment to have traffic moving rather than crawling
- Improve the railways. Stop dicking about with them and just improve them. Why can't we have a system like the Japanese?
- Remove bureacracy. Treat it as an issue of national importance and sort out the UK transport system.
- Funding? Let's get prisoners in work gangs rather than locked up all day. They can do the prep and unskilled labouring. That may even give them some sense of purpose or sense of opportunity/training.
- Funding? Don't pay long term unemployed people to sit on their arses all day. Ship 'em to work sites and train them on the job. Low paid workers? Yes, but they'll get a skill and contribute to society and they might even enjoy themselves.
- Funding? Put a stop to compensation culture. If someone is found to be at blame then let the law take its course. Compensation should only provide for physical needs rather than for 'mental anguish'. Money won't cure your anguish.
- Funding? Shut the door on illegal/financial immigrants. Let the countries that they travel through to get here deal with them.
Time for a coffee...
- Widen all motorways. It's not PC and for the sake of an extra 15 yards each side of the road it will make a huge difference to traffic flow. It will be good for the environment to have traffic moving rather than crawling
- Improve the railways. Stop dicking about with them and just improve them. Why can't we have a system like the Japanese?
- Remove bureacracy. Treat it as an issue of national importance and sort out the UK transport system.
- Funding? Let's get prisoners in work gangs rather than locked up all day. They can do the prep and unskilled labouring. That may even give them some sense of purpose or sense of opportunity/training.
- Funding? Don't pay long term unemployed people to sit on their arses all day. Ship 'em to work sites and train them on the job. Low paid workers? Yes, but they'll get a skill and contribute to society and they might even enjoy themselves.
- Funding? Put a stop to compensation culture. If someone is found to be at blame then let the law take its course. Compensation should only provide for physical needs rather than for 'mental anguish'. Money won't cure your anguish.
- Funding? Shut the door on illegal/financial immigrants. Let the countries that they travel through to get here deal with them.
Time for a coffee...
In total agreement with you Ted. I have just sold my house in Reading ready for a year off in Australia. The question is do I come back looking at the way the UK has gone. I.e High taxes on just about everything. For example if I book a free flight on airmiles I still have to pay £50 ish in government taxes!!!! What the !&$% !
hertsbiker said: Oh fine. So I HAVE to use the M25 'cos of no public transport, that's going to cost me about £1.20 a day. May not sound much, but over a year...
Why are we being made to pay TWICE ? surely road tax ought to cover this?
Carl
Road tax isn't for roads - it's to discourage people from owning more than one car each.
Although I am strongly against restricting road access to only the well off, it will definitely make my life easier.
The cost over my 50k miles per year will be less than I currently pay for a parking space at work, and it might actually let me commute at the time I want, without sitting in traffic jams for hours on end.
If I weren't so public spirited, I'd be on the blower now, campaigning for it to extend further out, and to be at a higher level.
Bloody champagne socialists, eh?
The cost over my 50k miles per year will be less than I currently pay for a parking space at work, and it might actually let me commute at the time I want, without sitting in traffic jams for hours on end.
If I weren't so public spirited, I'd be on the blower now, campaigning for it to extend further out, and to be at a higher level.
Bloody champagne socialists, eh?
I have no problem with this idea as long as they put a nice 4 lane wide motorway going due north from Southampton to Inverness. And I mean due north as in a straight line, don't even waiver for Birmingham.
Do not go near London, do not collect 200 pounds or pay the same amount in toll charges, do not get stuck behind M3 commuters who have no concept of what is around them, do not pass through the irritating M25 variable speed limit and do not go anywhere near Red Ken.
It works in transport tycoon anyway
Ian A.
Do not go near London, do not collect 200 pounds or pay the same amount in toll charges, do not get stuck behind M3 commuters who have no concept of what is around them, do not pass through the irritating M25 variable speed limit and do not go anywhere near Red Ken.
It works in transport tycoon anyway
Ian A.
The cost over my 50k miles per year will be less than I currently pay for a parking space at work, and it might actually let me commute at the time I want, without sitting in traffic jams for hours on end.
That's where you are wrong. People can't be priced out their cars. Traffic won't subside, it will just cost you.
Which sadly is exactly the fate in store for the central London toll.
Everyone is kidding themselves that these taxes will be ok, because they'll be able to scoot around/through London in no time, so it will be worth it. Well newsflash guys, its going to stay exactly as shit as it is now *, its just going to cost a
fortune. But that’s ok right, because the cost of living in the SE is so low…
* TfL are predicting a 10% cut in traffic from congestion charging. That isn't going to make any difference, and sounds highly optimistic anyway.
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