Hesitation when flooring it
Hesitation when flooring it
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lazyitus

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19,931 posts

295 months

Tuesday 29th November 2005
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Recently changed the battery. Nothing more, nothing less.

Now, when I start the vehicle, there is a momentary flat delay when I floor the pedal and then it revs like normal.

This didn't happen before.

What's occured here then?

Guillotine

5,516 posts

293 months

Tuesday 29th November 2005
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cpu has reset to base settings i would guess.

disconnect cpu for 30secs, plug it in and take it for a 30mile drive. stop start, duel carriage way etc.

should "learn" engine again

andy

>> Edited by Guillotine on Tuesday 29th November 22:07

GreenV8S

31,017 posts

313 months

Tuesday 29th November 2005
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Dunno. The ECU will have reset and lost its adaptive setting which might affect it's behaviour. It's also possible that while you were grubbing around in the footwell changing the battery you disturbed the ECU wiring loom and it has developed a fault? If you disconnect the throttle pot this will cause a massive flat spot when you open the throttle, so you might try doing that and see if it gets dramatically worse. If not I'd take that as a sign that the ECU isn't talking to the throttle pot any more.

Guillotine

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Tuesday 29th November 2005
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hello pete

lazyitus

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Tuesday 29th November 2005
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CPU, ECU.
The same thing ?


Guillotine

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Tuesday 29th November 2005
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yep, sorry, we call them cpu's in my line of work.

the big black box in the footwell. ecu/cpu = engine brain

andy

GreenV8S

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Tuesday 29th November 2005
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Guillotine said:
hello pete


lazyitus

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Tuesday 29th November 2005
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Guillotine said:
yep, sorry, we call them cpu's in my line of work.

the big black box in the footwell. ecu/cpu = engine brain

andy


Is it easy to disconnect or will I end up cocking the whole electric system up by pulling the wrong wires out?

Or indeed, do I need to touch it or just go for the 30 minute stop/start jaunt?

Guillotine

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Tuesday 29th November 2005
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one big 38 way connector.

unclip at one end, then it levers up. doddle.

wait 30s, reconnect, then drive in as many ways as possible so it learns all.


andy

lazyitus

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Tuesday 29th November 2005
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Guillotine said:
one big 38 way connector.

unclip at one end, then it levers up. doddle.

wait 30s, reconnect, then drive in as many ways as possible so it learns all.


andy


Cheers. (& to PeteV8s)

GreenV8S

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Tuesday 29th November 2005
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There are some specific conditions that have to be met in order for the adaptive settings to be updated. Mark Adams did explain in some detail but I'm afraid I've forgotten a lot of the details. From what I can remember it requires the coolant temp to be in the operating range, and the engine ticking over at a particular speed with constant throttle. Sorry I can't be more specific, but the main point is that just general driving around won't do it. The main thing you're achieving by resetting the ECU is clearing all the fault codes and putting the ECU back into normal operation. If the ECU has gone off in a huff because it has detected a fault then this can sometimes clear things up, at least until it detects the fault again.

Ballistic Banana

14,706 posts

296 months

Tuesday 29th November 2005
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wouldnt the throttle pot cause hesitation if set up wrong/moved Pete? not that changing the battery should disturb any of that.

BB

lazyitus

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Wednesday 30th November 2005
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GreenV8S said:
There are some specific conditions that have to be met in order for the adaptive settings to be updated. Mark Adams did explain in some detail but I'm afraid I've forgotten a lot of the details. From what I can remember it requires the coolant temp to be in the operating range, and the engine ticking over at a particular speed with constant throttle. Sorry I can't be more specific, but the main point is that just general driving around won't do it. The main thing you're achieving by resetting the ECU is clearing all the fault codes and putting the ECU back into normal operation. If the ECU has gone off in a huff because it has detected a fault then this can sometimes clear things up, at least until it detects the fault again.


It all seems a bit long winded just because I've changed a battery.

I'm obviously prepared to do what ever it takes to get it right but surely this procedure shouldn't be necessary every time somebody changes a battery? Or is it?

Ian Lewis

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277 months

Wednesday 30th November 2005
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lazyitus said:


Now, when I start the vehicle, there is a momentary flat delay when I floor the pedal and then it revs like normal.



That'll be the wheels spinning !!

lazyitus

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Wednesday 30th November 2005
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Ian Lewis said:
lazyitus said:


Now, when I start the vehicle, there is a momentary flat delay when I floor the pedal and then it revs like normal.



That'll be the wheels spinning !!


Guillotine

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Wednesday 30th November 2005
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I've had to do this several times after working on the car.

when the battery is disconnected, it looses its settings and goes to a base map.

it then learns optimum () settings as the car is driven.

15-30mins will do fine.

yes, it has to come to temp, yeas it needs the range of throttle positions, yes it needs stop start etc etc, but it will learn 90% of your engines settings in 15mins!

andy

lazyitus

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Wednesday 30th November 2005
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Guillotine said:
I've had to do this several times after working on the car.

when the battery is disconnected, it looses its settings and goes to a base map.

it then learns optimum () settings as the car is driven.

15-30mins will do fine.

yes, it has to come to temp, yeas it needs the range of throttle positions, yes it needs stop start etc etc, but it will learn 90% of your engines settings in 15mins!

andy


Excellent.

Andy, will I still need to unplug (reset) ECU or will the disconnecting of the battery have had the same effect anyway?

Guillotine

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Wednesday 30th November 2005
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either will do, 15 secs ish.

it'll run poorly to start, sluggish, slow pickup, bad idle etc.

should start up and run fine sfter that. if not there's something else.

i'd find/check the ecu anyway. could have been disturbed.

andy