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Thinking of buying one of [url]these|www.b-hague.co.uk/camera_suction_pads_vacuum_mounts.htm[url] for getting video and camera shots of the car in "action" (SM4 model)
Does anyone know if I would be able to use it on a trackday? or would it be illegal to have it on the outside of the car?
Greg
Does anyone know if I would be able to use it on a trackday? or would it be illegal to have it on the outside of the car?
Greg
Greg - I have a Hague suction mount and no probs at all using it on track-days. Some Circuits (eg run my Octogon) make you sign a form to say that you promise not to put videos/pics on public fora otherwise they will come and chop bits off you and sue you for zillions of pounds. They may even be out of business by now, for all I know.
Don't know about using it on the outside of the car - for the sake of paintwork and camera I would keep it inside, screen mounted.
Don't know about using it on the outside of the car - for the sake of paintwork and camera I would keep it inside, screen mounted.
I've got one of these IOports
[url]www.ioportracing.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=CM&Category_Code=CM[/url]
It worked very well on the cobra's full-width rollbar, but needed some scratch protection. I'll have to see if there's room for the hardware on the M400s internal cage.
Doug in Cincinnati
[url]www.ioportracing.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=CM&Category_Code=CM[/url]
It worked very well on the cobra's full-width rollbar, but needed some scratch protection. I'll have to see if there's room for the hardware on the M400s internal cage.
Doug in Cincinnati
Hi Greg
I've used Hague clamps on about 10 UK circuts/40 track days - I've been asked once to remove the clamp from the outside of the car (Silverstone), warned once about the fitting to an external roll cage (Combe) but never from the inside.
Any Octogon circuit could potentially pose a 'copyright' problem mind... they seem to have some sort of issue with human beings.
Also, it's worthwhile checking with the track day organiser, as they sometimes *suggest* that all copyright for photos/footage taken on their days belong to them.
Steve
>> Edited by GetCarter on Friday 2nd December 20:10
I've used Hague clamps on about 10 UK circuts/40 track days - I've been asked once to remove the clamp from the outside of the car (Silverstone), warned once about the fitting to an external roll cage (Combe) but never from the inside.
Any Octogon circuit could potentially pose a 'copyright' problem mind... they seem to have some sort of issue with human beings.
Also, it's worthwhile checking with the track day organiser, as they sometimes *suggest* that all copyright for photos/footage taken on their days belong to them.
Steve
>> Edited by GetCarter on Friday 2nd December 20:10
Mr Noble said:
Can you get bullet cams that are as good quality pics as the primarly vid lens of a decent cam?
Greg
Just about. I use the Sony hi res bullet - quality is very good. Also very easy to gaffer anywhere on the car. Getting the sound right is always the most tricky bit with a bullet - some mics will distort, others not loud enough.
This vid was taken with said bullet:
www.stevecarter.com/highlands2.wmv (6 mb)
www.stevecarter.com/highlands2.wmv (30 mb - bigger and less squashed)
Mr Noble said:
You be careful on those highland roads Steve, they look rather dangerous!!
Great footage.
What is your setup? Cams etc.
Thx Greg
Sony DCR-TRV33E (The 'E' has the yellow 'analogue in' essential for bullet cam) Sony bullet cam from here: www.rfconcepts.co.uk/cameras.htm
I eventually gave up on their mic as it would always over record, and bought a cheap jobbie from Dixons.
A nice idea is to fix the bullet to the crash helmet of a passenger - then you get to watch what they were looking at as you headed towards the armco
Which exact mount are you using from the hague site?
I've used a few bullet cams and the problem I have encountered is that you cannot adjust white balance on a bullet camera. The noble is so dark inside that it then overexposes the outside of the car. You can overcome this by moving the camera from the rear to the front but I want to be able to see my hands and my shifts.
Here's an example of what I mean by over-exposure (and I nice little spin) at Putnam Park:
www.whitisconsulting.com/videos/Noble@PutnamPark.wmv
I've used a few bullet cams and the problem I have encountered is that you cannot adjust white balance on a bullet camera. The noble is so dark inside that it then overexposes the outside of the car. You can overcome this by moving the camera from the rear to the front but I want to be able to see my hands and my shifts.
Here's an example of what I mean by over-exposure (and I nice little spin) at Putnam Park:
www.whitisconsulting.com/videos/Noble@PutnamPark.wmv
That seemed to "go" pretty unexpectidly!!?? Nice spin though.
Derek, if your filming from inside the car then why do you choose to use the bullet? Would it not be better and easier to get a clamp mount on the roll cage in the same position and use the camera as normal?
I guess the bullets take a full frame meter rather than a spot meter and with there being more dark thaan light it over exposes.
Do the camera settings not affect a bullet then?
Only other thing I could suggest is to drape a big white towel or sheet over the entire dash to get you a more balanced meter.
HTH
Greg
Derek, if your filming from inside the car then why do you choose to use the bullet? Would it not be better and easier to get a clamp mount on the roll cage in the same position and use the camera as normal?
I guess the bullets take a full frame meter rather than a spot meter and with there being more dark thaan light it over exposes.
Do the camera settings not affect a bullet then?
Only other thing I could suggest is to drape a big white towel or sheet over the entire dash to get you a more balanced meter.
HTH
Greg
DerekFSU said:You'll struggle to "fix" that regardless of what you do.
Here's an example of what I mean by over-exposure (and I nice little spin) at Putnam Park:
www.whitisconsulting.com/videos/Noble@PutnamPark.wmv
CCDs have quite a small "dynamic" range, much much less than the human eye, and so it's an almost impossible job to get both the dash and outside exposed correctly.
As for the spin, looks like you hit the kerb when you were applying power and just at the point the turbos kicked in? I'm suprised you couldn't catch it given if I remember rightly you've got an M400, get that lock wound on!!!
J
I was using the bullet because I have yet to find a clamp that fits the rear rollcage to allow a full camera which would certainly be my preference. When using a bullet, you are recording in a "vcr" mode so the WB is not accessible.
As for the spin, it was not a curbing or turbos deal. And it wasn't catchable in my opinion. 100mph is about max for that turn IF you apex a bit later so the track can come back to you. I was at 10/10'ths going into the turn and went a bit too soon. I should have just driven straight off but tried to bring it back in. LATE APEX LATE APEX LATE APEX LATE APEX.
As for the spin, it was not a curbing or turbos deal. And it wasn't catchable in my opinion. 100mph is about max for that turn IF you apex a bit later so the track can come back to you. I was at 10/10'ths going into the turn and went a bit too soon. I should have just driven straight off but tried to bring it back in. LATE APEX LATE APEX LATE APEX LATE APEX.
You'll be wanting an SC2.
Sure they would ship to the US if you asked nicely!
www.b-hague.co.uk/Mounting%20Brackets.htm
Greg
Sure they would ship to the US if you asked nicely!
www.b-hague.co.uk/Mounting%20Brackets.htm
Greg
) and it's a great piece of kit. The only problem is...the only place it'll clamp on the roll cage the camera is upside down! You can get a longer "rod" for it and then get the cam the right way up.
I think Justin and Axel F (alex s) have them.
I borrowed Alex's cam for the laps that I got crashed into on but did not realise that just before I left the pit, alex had started it rolling, so after the first 20 seconds, I reached over and turned it off!
I wonder how useless the clamp mounts would be in a car with no rollcage to clamp to.............
I think Justin and Axel F (alex s) have them.
I borrowed Alex's cam for the laps that I got crashed into on but did not realise that just before I left the pit, alex had started it rolling, so after the first 20 seconds, I reached over and turned it off!
I wonder how useless the clamp mounts would be in a car with no rollcage to clamp to.............
DerekFSU said:
I was using the bullet because I have yet to find a clamp that fits the rear rollcage to allow a full camera which would certainly be my preference. When using a bullet, you are recording in a "vcr" mode so the WB is not accessible.
As for the spin, it was not a curbing or turbos deal. And it wasn't catchable in my opinion. 100mph is about max for that turn IF you apex a bit later so the track can come back to you. I was at 10/10'ths going into the turn and went a bit too soon. I should have just driven straight off but tried to bring it back in. LATE APEX LATE APEX LATE APEX LATE APEX.
Derek,
Whats the blue strip on the windscreen for?
As to the exposure, this isn't white balance its the capacity of the ccd to deal with the differing levels of light isnt it? Its either exposed OK for the interior and burned out for the outsaide.
Regardds
Paul C
If I can manually adjust the WB, then I can darken the interior to lighten the outside shot.
Paul, you're the first person to ever mention the blue strip of tape. It's a training aid that I put just a hair below my straight ahead vision. It reminds me to always look up as I don't allow myself to look below it.
Paul, you're the first person to ever mention the blue strip of tape. It's a training aid that I put just a hair below my straight ahead vision. It reminds me to always look up as I don't allow myself to look below it.
[quote=GetCarter
Sony DCR-TRV33E (The 'E' has the yellow 'analogue in' essential for bullet cam) Sony bullet cam from here: www.rfconcepts.co.uk/cameras.htm
I eventually gave up on their mic as it would always over record, and bought a cheap jobbie from Dixons.
A nice idea is to fix the bullet to the crash helmet of a passenger - then you get to watch what they were looking at as you headed towards the armco[/quote]
I've been looking at getting one of these cameras for ages - I have a Sony DCR-IP220E (it has both analogue and digital in. I had heard that you can get digital bullet cams is there any advantage to these? for the One you refer to above is it one of the 21CWSHR ones? I assume the different size lense just gives you a different zoom option? - this would also be great for skiing!!!
Sony DCR-TRV33E (The 'E' has the yellow 'analogue in' essential for bullet cam) Sony bullet cam from here: www.rfconcepts.co.uk/cameras.htm
I eventually gave up on their mic as it would always over record, and bought a cheap jobbie from Dixons.
A nice idea is to fix the bullet to the crash helmet of a passenger - then you get to watch what they were looking at as you headed towards the armco
[/quote] I've been looking at getting one of these cameras for ages - I have a Sony DCR-IP220E (it has both analogue and digital in. I had heard that you can get digital bullet cams is there any advantage to these? for the One you refer to above is it one of the 21CWSHR ones? I assume the different size lense just gives you a different zoom option? - this would also be great for skiing!!!
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