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Have you guys seen the new Ruf model at all?
www.ruf-automobile.de/english/index1.htm
It's called the 3600, and is based on the boxter chassis, but looks like a GT2. It has the latest 911 3.6 lump mid mounted.
Could be the bases of the best porsche for some time, with 911 power and boxter handling. As the cars are bespoke items I guess you could also spec it in RS fashion - ditch all the heavy shite and have carbon buckets etc. Would probably weigh in at 1000kg ish, and with 320bhp, would make an ideal ratio!
This would be the 'baby' version of the forthcoming mid engine nutter at 250k.
www.ruf-automobile.de/english/index1.htm
It's called the 3600, and is based on the boxter chassis, but looks like a GT2. It has the latest 911 3.6 lump mid mounted.
Could be the bases of the best porsche for some time, with 911 power and boxter handling. As the cars are bespoke items I guess you could also spec it in RS fashion - ditch all the heavy shite and have carbon buckets etc. Would probably weigh in at 1000kg ish, and with 320bhp, would make an ideal ratio!
This would be the 'baby' version of the forthcoming mid engine nutter at 250k.
Seem to remember that GT Pretty Pictures had a review of this car not too long ago. I remember it because not only was it pretty darn awesome (and the quickest unless you go follow the Gemballa road), but it also was specced a rather fetching dark green with tartan trim. Nice if you're colour blind no doubt, profoundly shit if you're not.
Nice car. But it's not a Porshce, rather one that's been thatched around with. They even put a 996 dash in, the goons. Discuss ?
Nice car. But it's not a Porshce, rather one that's been thatched around with. They even put a 996 dash in, the goons. Discuss ?
I don't know about the hybrid Boxster concept but it always raises the great debate about just what RR says: Boxster strengths (awesome handling, right?) and 911 strengths (performance and 'character') - so why not - gasp - ditch the 911 altogether and just concentrate on the mid engine layout all the time?
Because for whatever reason - and I suspect Domster's 911itus is necessary to explain here - there is a bizarre quality that affects the handling by placing the engine way out back. And it is, I don't know why, rather magical to drive.
Their 996 Turbo R appeals immensely; I simply love it's understatement. Indeed, they have substituted a standard Carrera rear flank for the standard car's wider girth.
But I know what Greg means about all this 'fiddling;' I used to be an anti-tweaker but soon realised the relative quasi/semi/official legitimacy and indeed competence of the German tuning houses for home made motors.
Wasn't it Mercedes where several board memebers were supposed to have been Brabus owners?
Bleargh.
Because for whatever reason - and I suspect Domster's 911itus is necessary to explain here - there is a bizarre quality that affects the handling by placing the engine way out back. And it is, I don't know why, rather magical to drive.
Their 996 Turbo R appeals immensely; I simply love it's understatement. Indeed, they have substituted a standard Carrera rear flank for the standard car's wider girth.
But I know what Greg means about all this 'fiddling;' I used to be an anti-tweaker but soon realised the relative quasi/semi/official legitimacy and indeed competence of the German tuning houses for home made motors.
Wasn't it Mercedes where several board memebers were supposed to have been Brabus owners?
Bleargh.
It's an interesting point regarding the layout. Porsches ultimate show case model will have the best mid engine configuration. Kind of leaves the old 911 design out in the cold.
I personally wish they would ditch the rear seats in the 911 and move it's engine to the mid point. Better balance with just enough classic 911 elements - flat six etc.
I personally wish they would ditch the rear seats in the 911 and move it's engine to the mid point. Better balance with just enough classic 911 elements - flat six etc.
My all time fave Porsche is probably the 993TT. It looks and sounds like a classic mixed with brut force. But you have to admit, moving that engine a bit more inboard woun't ruin it's character at all. It would still be rear engined with the rear vents etc, but technically it would be mid mounted for better balance. Or am I talking gash? Who the hell uses the rear seats anyhow? 911's should be for young blokes with no kids anyway.
Roadrunner said:
I personally wish they would ditch the rear seats in the 911 and move it's engine to the mid point. Better balance with just enough classic 911 elements - flat six etc.
Well whats a Boxster then if not just that? on early 996/box its the same car from the A post foward & you can easily shove a 996 lump in one for a few more horses if you really want 'em.
Ever since I developed a desire to road test lamp post rigidity/high powered impact ratios, Mrs DeR has been somewhat reticent to hop on board anything vaguely M.Falconnesque that has resided garageways, much less entrust little Mme. Inheritor therein.
Hence, sort of, the LS430, post EVO VII apocalypse.
Which is why, ultimately, my salvation for family based Euro jaunts will ultimately have to be something featuring the prefixes, M, RS or S.
The beetle is therefore strictly for cattle/ non-believer terrorism, mostly of an early [pre-mist lift!] Sunday morn.
Hence, sort of, the LS430, post EVO VII apocalypse.
Which is why, ultimately, my salvation for family based Euro jaunts will ultimately have to be something featuring the prefixes, M, RS or S.
The beetle is therefore strictly for cattle/ non-believer terrorism, mostly of an early [pre-mist lift!] Sunday morn.
Roadrunner said: How did you manage that? Pug's are fool proof. You fool!
Balls!, the 1.9 gti has a twitchyer rear end than my old 325i bob marley. Come off the throttle just a bit and the old trailing arm rear end (al la pre '89 911) on the pug would try and overtake in miliseconds.
This was a few years ago mind you, when i was far too fast for my skill level & before i got to drive hundreds of 911s and learn NEVER to back off mid bend.
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