Cube PC with RAID?
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pAntscat

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996 posts

257 months

Sunday 11th December 2005
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Hi All!

Does anyone know where I could purchase a Cube PC with RAID 1?
I want a little media-centre type PC... would help get rid of the piles of CDs everywhere!
I would build it myself but I'm a lazy sod...

Any ideas?

Ta,

Ant

docevi1

10,430 posts

278 months

Sunday 11th December 2005
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why Raid 1? plain old Sata drives are probably just as good without the worry of losing all your data should the worst happen...

_dobbo_

14,619 posts

278 months

Sunday 11th December 2005
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Docevil, have you read SCSI where he wrote RAID?

docevi1

10,430 posts

278 months

Wednesday 14th December 2005
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nope, definetly read RAID.

RAID 1 is mirroring across 2 drives and it causes a PITA if something with your core system goes wrong.

Plotloss

67,280 posts

300 months

Wednesday 14th December 2005
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docevi1 said:

RAID 1 is mirroring across 2 drives and it causes a PITA if something with your core system goes wrong.


Whys that then?

I can only see it causing an issue if shit gets written to both places.

If you must RAID, RAID5

Mind you, 3 disks in a little box, probably not going to fit...

agent006

12,058 posts

294 months

Wednesday 14th December 2005
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docevi1 said:
nope, definetly read RAID.

RAID 1 is mirroring across 2 drives and it causes a PITA if something with your core system goes wrong.


Yes, but a plain SATA drive won't save you from that.

docevi1

10,430 posts

278 months

Thursday 15th December 2005
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Sorry, not explained very well. I used to have a RAID 1 system and the mainboard died, I had to buy exactly the same board to get the hdd's readable again. If I had used plain standalone drives I could have put the discs anywhere to rescue the data.

randlemarcus

13,646 posts

261 months

Thursday 15th December 2005
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Nope, better bet is to do whatever to the MCE system, dont care, then use a dinky little NAS device, and mount the drive into MCE.
cheap for a DIY option, or
Not cheap for a done for you option.

Bish bash bosh.

agent006

12,058 posts

294 months

Thursday 15th December 2005
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docevi1 said:
Sorry, not explained very well. I used to have a RAID 1 system and the mainboard died, I had to buy exactly the same board to get the hdd's readable again. If I had used plain standalone drives I could have put the discs anywhere to rescue the data.


Which is why using the onboard controller is a bad idea. You have a point, but disk failures are far more common than Mobo or controller failures.

Podie

46,649 posts

305 months

Friday 16th December 2005
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Plotloss said:
Mind you, 3 disks in a little box, probably not going to fit...


You can do with a little encouragement

ThatPhilBrettGuy

11,810 posts

270 months

Friday 16th December 2005
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Podie said:
You can do with a little encouragement

Going to get a bit warm though...

Podie

46,649 posts

305 months

Friday 16th December 2005
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ThatPhilBrettGuy said:
Podie said:
You can do with a little encouragement

Going to get a bit warm though...


True... but a bit more to mod the case and you're fine

Shuttle actually do a mesh sided case for their machines...

ThatPhilBrettGuy

11,810 posts

270 months

Friday 16th December 2005
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I've got a Shuttle SN41G2. Extra holes, cut back out, new 120mm fan, external PSU. With only 1 HD and a DVD in it, it was still a bit of a toaster. Can't see you physically getting 3 drives in it. I guess there's some slightly bigger versions now...

Podie

46,649 posts

305 months

Friday 16th December 2005
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ThatPhilBrettGuy said:
I've got a Shuttle SN41G2. Extra holes, cut back out, new 120mm fan, external PSU. With only 1 HD and a DVD in it, it was still a bit of a toaster. Can't see you physically getting 3 drives in it. I guess there's some slightly bigger versions now...


Hmm... got an SK43G with a Sempron 3000 in for a couple of my customers... DVD burner, floppy/card reader and a SATA drive and had no problems.

Seen a few with 2 SATA drives and an external drive...

Remember the case acts as a giant heatsink too...

ehasler

8,579 posts

313 months

Friday 16th December 2005
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The Shuttle SN25P takes 3 hard drives as standard.

pAntscat

Original Poster:

996 posts

257 months

Friday 30th December 2005
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Thanks for all the replies chaps!

To be honest I'm not too concerned with a mobo failure... in my experience it is a pretty rare thing but maybe I've just been lucky... in managing 900 PCs over the past 5 years I think I've only seen 4 or 5 go pop.

Will have a look into the options...

A

ultimasimon

9,646 posts

288 months

Friday 30th December 2005
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I sell a lot of these cubes as media centres. They are made by Biostar, a company which specialises in corporate mobo's. They are a work of art as they are all alluminium construction. They have space for one DVD drive and two hard disks. They also have AGP and a PCI slot, and have 6/8 channel audio and Gigabit network, but best of all they are competitively priced. They also have a buit in Infra Red port, two firewire and four USB 2, including front audio.



They are cheap and reliable and come in every different chipset available. My oldest cube is a 3.2GHz AMD64, and it has 2Gig of RAM and two 300 gig hard disks in RAID 0. The fans are logic controlled and when your not playing games its totally silent. In the last two years I have sold over 200 of these and only had one failure.

The new ones having a bigger psu. I have sold a few shuttles and although they were the original small cube, My customers love them too and prefer these because they look better, and were quieter.

docevi1

10,430 posts

278 months

Friday 30th December 2005
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what sort of cost do you run at for one of those Simon?

ultimasimon

9,646 posts

288 months

Friday 30th December 2005
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It really depends on what chip-set you start with then what you put it in it.

Units are supplied as 'Bare bones' and then you add a CPU, hard disk, RAM, and DVD drive etc. Details are here.

The reason I like these is there are different models for different uses. For example the AMD 64's always provide a good games platform (although they are limited by the PSU for top graphics cards like the 7800GTX's). Having said that my all black games cube (named Darthvader lol) is running a 9800 All-In-Wonder, and it plays BF2 and CS-Source @ 1024x768 with no probs.

The Intel models are ideal for browsing or as an mp3 server with lower specified CPU's are they are silent and the very neat footprint appeals especially to the ladies, who typically want them for the bedroom or kitchen

Anyone can put one together, it comes with two manuals, a user and an installer so its just a case of connecting the various bits and then installing the software. If you require any further info just drop me a line via my profile. Please note that these are very high quality units and as such if you spec a cube with top or the range everything, you will be looking at a similar price for a high-end conventional desktop. This is because these cubes are the fashionable equivalent of the large form factor they replace, and 'small' is the new black in PC's.

Please note this is not a plug, I am merely recommedning them because they are a quality device, and hence the reason I have provided a link to the wholesaler and not myself.

pmanson

13,388 posts

283 months

Friday 30th December 2005
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Si,

Hope your well.

I'm guessing you can set these up just to output direct to a TV?

Can I email you offline for an indication of price for a system i'm thinking about putting together.

I don't play games so looking at an MP3/DVD Server to sit under the TV with a wireless card for net access.

Apart from that i don't need it to do anything else (no word/excel etc).

Thanks,

Phill