Arnie terminates Crips founder
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Buh bye Tookie. It's good to see Arnie showing no mercy for this scumbag despite every moron jumping on the bandwagon to "save" him. We need his kinda justice over here!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4523502.st
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4523502.st
GregE240 said:
But, Nobel prize nominations or not, he has shown no remorse at all for murder.
I'm sure the worms will be eternally grateful.
Claimed to the end that he didn't commit the murders, given that if he had admitted it and shown remorse he might have received clemency I find that a bit odd.
GregE240 said:
But, Nobel prize nominations or not, he has shown no remorse at all for murder.
I'm sure the worms will be eternally grateful.
In the interviews I have read with him he has shown remorse for his behaviour and muders, but has always maintained his innocence regarding the 4 murders he was actually convicted for. Why still deny the murders after 25 years, why not play the game and feign remorse ?. Personally it's not a black and white decision for me, but I don't know all the facts of the original convictions.
>> Edited by ledger on Tuesday 13th December 09:48
So given his current focus on peace, is society better off with him dead or alive?
I'd say alive personally.
Arnie was too scared to look soft IMO as there hasn't been a clemency in that state since '67 iirc.
Always a tricky one the old death sentence but this is one of those rare cases where it really makes me question the point of it...
I'd say alive personally.
Arnie was too scared to look soft IMO as there hasn't been a clemency in that state since '67 iirc.
Always a tricky one the old death sentence but this is one of those rare cases where it really makes me question the point of it...
Carrera2 said:
So given his current focus on peace, is society better off with him dead or alive?
I'd say alive personally.
Arnie was too scared to look soft IMO as there hasn't been a clemency in that state since '67 iirc.
Always a tricky one the old death sentence but this is one of those rare cases where it really makes me question the point of it...
Quite right. I can't see what has been gained by ending his life. He has had an enormous influence on a number of bad kids, to change their ways. I would've thought a life sentence might be enough.
More worringly for residents of LA, I heard an interview with members of rival gangs, who said his execution could lead to an escalation in gang violence......
968 said:So the gang members are holding the state to ransom over whether some brother buys it or not? I'd dare them then go out and take a couple out, preferably with quicker means than a syringe full of shit.
So given his current focus on peace, is society better off with him dead or alive?
I'd say alive personally.
Arnie was too scared to look soft IMO as there hasn't been a clemency in that state since '67 iirc.
Always a tricky one the old death sentence but this is one of those rare cases where it really makes me question the point of it...
Quite right. I can't see what has been gained by ending his life. He has had an enormous influence on a number of bad kids, to change their ways. I would've thought a life sentence might be enough.
More worringly for residents of LA, I heard an interview with members of rival gangs, who said his execution could lead to an escalation in gang violence......
Honestly, who the hell is in charge in California?
GregE240 said:
So given his current focus on peace, is society better off with him dead or alive?
I'd say alive personally.
Arnie was too scared to look soft IMO as there hasn't been a clemency in that state since '67 iirc.
Always a tricky one the old death sentence but this is one of those rare cases where it really makes me question the point of it...
Quite right. I can't see what has been gained by ending his life. He has had an enormous influence on a number of bad kids, to change their ways. I would've thought a life sentence might be enough.
More worringly for residents of LA, I heard an interview with members of rival gangs, who said his execution could lead to an escalation in gang violence......
Honestly, who the hell is in charge in California?
Not sure what your point is here. The decision is not based on the likelihood of violence as far as I can tell.
Anyone who's got strong views on the death penalty should read The Chamber, John Grisham - makes you realise that it's a complete load of bollox as by the time it actually happens the prisoner is a completely different person to who he was when he commited the crime.
GregE240 said:
So the gang members are holding the state to ransom over whether some brother buys it or not? I'd dare them then go out and take a couple out, preferably with quicker means than a syringe full of shit.
Honestly, who the hell is in charge in California?
No, that's not the case. It was merely an expression of how this chap had brokered some sort of peace between the gang factions, in California. With his death, that truce becomes more uneasy.
Besides which, the most important legacy from this chap will be the work he did to try to prevent violence and educate kids.
Carrera2 said:
makes you realise that it's a complete load of bollox as by the time it actually happens the prisoner is a completely different person to who he was when he commited the crime.
So are the victims....
TBH the whole "let's not have the death sentence in case we murder someone innocent" is losing its appeal - balance of probabilities should be enough. One innocent death is probably worth a hundred re-offends (especially in murder cases).
And if the money saved keeping convicted murderers alive was spent saving non-offenders instead (health care, food aid etc) then surely the utilitarian arguments hold?
let the arguments begin
>> Edited by Jinx on Tuesday 13th December 10:24
968 said:Rubbish. Live by the sword, die by the sword. He deserves the maximum punishment, and in California that's the death penalty.
I can't see what has been gained by ending his life. He has had an enormous influence on a number of bad kids, to change their ways. I would've thought a life sentence might be enough.
CupraR said:
I can't see what has been gained by ending his life. He has had an enormous influence on a number of bad kids, to change their ways. I would've thought a life sentence might be enough.
Except he didn't live by the sword for perhaps that last half of his life. He tried to promote peace from his jail cell, in San Quentin.
968 said:That won't bring his victims back though will it.
I can't see what has been gained by ending his life. He has had an enormous influence on a number of bad kids, to change their ways. I would've thought a life sentence might be enough.
Except he didn't live by the sword for perhaps that last half of his life. He tried to promote peace from his jail cell, in San Quentin.
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