post 2002 S6 reliability
Discussion
in case you do not browse the S6 forum could I point you to my thread there if you have a post mid 2002 S6
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=228479&f=152&h=0
www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=228479&f=152&h=0
What's the
ing point in these threads?! All it does is create another platform for scare/doom mongerers to voice their rubbish and slagging of TVR. We know there is an issue with the S6 engine. TVR know there is an issue with the S6 enghine. Dealers know there is an issue with the S6 engine... but it is up to TVR to address it, and no matter how much we moan on here, it will make no difference.
.....so why bother dragging all this crap up time and time again! It serves no purpose to anybody and does nothing but makes the brand look sh*t, which is NOT needed right now.
To ALL the people who post these kind of threads, give it a rest FFS, and try to post something constructive and positive for a change.
>> Edited by kmpowell on Wednesday 14th December 10:26
kmpowell said:
What's the
We know there is an issue with the S6 engine. TVR know there is an issue with the S6 enghine. Dealers know there is an issue with the S6 engine... but it is up to TVR to address it, and no matter how much we moan on here, it will make no difference.
.....so why bother dragging all this crap up time and time again! It serves no purpose to anybody and does nothing but makes the brand look sh*t, which is NOT needed right now.
To ALL the people who post these kind of threads, give it a rest FFS, and try to post something constructive and positive for a change.
>> Edited by kmpowell on Wednesday 14th December 10:26
er... it IS constructive and positive!
Have you read it? It looks like 11 "no problems" and 2 unfortunates (a third looks like he may have misunderstood the thread as being re: problems post mid-02 rather than problems on cars new since mid-02 (not certain though).
Either way, it makes for encouraging reading.
And as to why people start such threads... it's because people (like me) find them interesting. Don't read if you don't want to! Honestly, it's a positive thread (so far).
kmpowell said:
What's the
We know there is an issue with the S6 engine. TVR know there is an issue with the S6 enghine. Dealers know there is an issue with the S6 engine... but it is up to TVR to address it, and no matter how much we moan on here, it will make no difference.
.....so why bother dragging all this crap up time and time again! It serves no purpose to anybody and does nothing but makes the brand look sh*t, which is NOT needed right now.
To ALL the people who post these kind of threads, give it a rest FFS, and try to post something constructive and positive for a change.
>> Edited by kmpowell on Wednesday 14th December 10:26
oooh sombody's tired!
kmpowell said:
What's the
With respect, they DO serve a purpose. I realise that you old TVR hands have seen it time and again before but those who haven't owned one and are looking into the pros and cons of dipping a toe into the TVR market find them useful.
I certainly did when I was considering swapping the S2000 for a Tamora earlier in the year. One of my main concerns was the general TVR reliability rep, and in particular the perceived wisdom regarding the propensity of S6 engines to go pop - those sorts of threads put the problems into context. It's important that anyone considering TVR ownership understands the potential pitfalls and is able to make a CONSIDERED decision on the likelihood of them experiencing a problem.
(In the event, I decided that a TVR was too much of a stretch given what I wanted to spend and what it would cost to run - at least for the time being anyway - but I did manage to satisfy myself that the S6 issue wasn't as bad as urban myths had lead me to believe, and that it was a gamble I was prepared to take)
>> Edited by Lurking Lawyer on Thursday 15th December 13:22
dvpeace said:
However, the SP6 forum was set up specifically for these threads so why post on here?
I assume the link that started this furore was posted here so that it got more viewings and responses. I suspect that not everyone visits the S6 forum as much as the model-specific ones.
Anyway, that wasn't what prompted kmp's rant - it was the fact that the thread exists at all rather than it being in here.....
kmpowell said:
What's the
We know there is an issue with the S6 engine. TVR know there is an issue with the S6 enghine. Dealers know there is an issue with the S6 engine... but it is up to TVR to address it, and no matter how much we moan on here, it will make no difference.
.....so why bother dragging all this crap up time and time again! It serves no purpose to anybody and does nothing but makes the brand look sh*t, which is NOT needed right now.
To ALL the people who post these kind of threads, give it a rest FFS, and try to post something constructive and positive for a change.
>> Edited by kmpowell on Wednesday 14th December 10:26
I find these threads very useful as a potential owner.
It sound like you are a bit oversensetive and overprotective of the brand.
i dont want to see just positive comments. i would like to see all opinion whether it be good or bad.
If you say everyone is fully aware of the problem, surely it is preety poor that it still exists after all these years.
Also if you say the problem still exists (personally i do not know either way)then the more rants the quicker it will be solved
>> Edited by stansw on Friday 16th December 21:41
cheeky said:
(a third looks like he may have misunderstood the thread as being re: problems post mid-02 rather than problems on cars new since mid-02 (not certain though).
If you mean my post I was just trying to point out that, whilst the original Yr 2000 engine build had problems, since having a July 2002 spec head fitted I had not had any further grief.
It is usefull in maintaining some sort of balance.
I was speaking to a dealer today who I don't want to name as they are nice blokes and I don't want the doomsters to pour boiling oil over them next time they take their cars in for a service-but in their experience the Taggy and T350's are notably free of problems and it tends to be the Tuscans that experience difficulties.They have absolutely no idea why but those are the facts as they have experienced them.There was one notable exception to this that fell into the abuse camp.
Now if you read the posts on the Speed Six forum you'll beleive its only a matter of time,and a short one at that,before anyones P&J detonates leaving you penilles.
Its Bollix
>> Edited by sideways mostly on Monday 19th December 20:01
I was speaking to a dealer today who I don't want to name as they are nice blokes and I don't want the doomsters to pour boiling oil over them next time they take their cars in for a service-but in their experience the Taggy and T350's are notably free of problems and it tends to be the Tuscans that experience difficulties.They have absolutely no idea why but those are the facts as they have experienced them.There was one notable exception to this that fell into the abuse camp.
Now if you read the posts on the Speed Six forum you'll beleive its only a matter of time,and a short one at that,before anyones P&J detonates leaving you penilles.
Its Bollix
>> Edited by sideways mostly on Monday 19th December 20:01
sideways mostly said:
It is usefull in maintaining some sort of balance.
I was speaking to a dealer today who I don't want to name as they are nice blokes and I don't want the doomsters to pour boiling oil over them next time they take their cars in for a service-but in their experience the Taggy and T350's are notably free of problems and it tends to be the Tuscans that experience difficulties.They have absolutely no idea why but those are the facts as they have experienced them.There was one notable exception to this that fell into the abuse camp.
Now if you read the posts on the Speed Six forum you'll beleive its only a matter of time,and a short one at that,before anyones P&J detonates leaving you penilles.
Its Bollix
>> Edited by sideways mostly on Monday 19th December 20:01
We have had a 3.6 T350 which proved pretty much bullet proof over 15000 miles in 18 month and X no of track days.
We now have two 4.0 engined cars at home in the garage - Tamora and Sagaris 5000 and 3500 miles each so far. I'm 100% confident I will see the same level of reliability with the 4.0 engines.
>> Edited by Daftlad on Tuesday 20th December 06:08
Well,as usual,i can only hold it it for so long,and now i just have to say something!.
I honestly cant believe what i read on here sometimes.It's so rediculous to read so many bitchy and negative comments on here,posted purely in an effort to create an illusion that one model or engine size is better than another etc.I often brouse these forums,and just cant understand the mentality of some people.When your supposed to be fans of the s6,why do you all try and gain advantages by posting negativity about other models/engine sizes and specs?If you love your tiv s6,then no matter which one it is,why the hell dont you just stick together and support it,no exceptions,full stop?Cant you see that your going to confine ALL s6 models to the 'TR7' catagory of TVR history?There really isn't one which is more or less reliable than the other,you can use the stats,or the word of "a mates mate" to say whatever you want,all you do is make yourself look stupid,and not worthy of belief.Why dont you post about the positives,about the work being done to improve it,from outside as well as inside TVR,about how looking after it well will greatly incease the chances of longer life,and about just how fuing ballistic it makes your car go!Enjoy it,but dont keep slagging each other off,or trying to find an angle,please,it just looks so sad.
I honestly cant believe what i read on here sometimes.It's so rediculous to read so many bitchy and negative comments on here,posted purely in an effort to create an illusion that one model or engine size is better than another etc.I often brouse these forums,and just cant understand the mentality of some people.When your supposed to be fans of the s6,why do you all try and gain advantages by posting negativity about other models/engine sizes and specs?If you love your tiv s6,then no matter which one it is,why the hell dont you just stick together and support it,no exceptions,full stop?Cant you see that your going to confine ALL s6 models to the 'TR7' catagory of TVR history?There really isn't one which is more or less reliable than the other,you can use the stats,or the word of "a mates mate" to say whatever you want,all you do is make yourself look stupid,and not worthy of belief.Why dont you post about the positives,about the work being done to improve it,from outside as well as inside TVR,about how looking after it well will greatly incease the chances of longer life,and about just how fu
ing ballistic it makes your car go!Enjoy it,but dont keep slagging each other off,or trying to find an angle,please,it just looks so sad. I agree with the sentiment entirely mongoose-I am also tired of the carping over the speed 6. My point was if you look at the accumulated evidense the problem is limited -its not a universal speed 6 problem at all.
It was most definately NOT a 'my S6 is better than yours' post which would have also been Bollix.
Sorry if I was not clear enough.
Going ballistic this afternoon weather permitting.
>> Edited by sideways mostly on Tuesday 20th December 12:25
It was most definately NOT a 'my S6 is better than yours' post which would have also been Bollix.
Sorry if I was not clear enough.
Going ballistic this afternoon weather permitting.
>> Edited by sideways mostly on Tuesday 20th December 12:25
I wasnt having a go at anyone in particular Steve
.It just amazes me how much bitching does go on within the camp,not just on this,but on many other threads on this forum.It is easy to manipulate any statistics,ie"there have been far more problems with 3.6 engines in recent times" -well that could be true,given that many more have been sold than 4.0's! or how about"the tuscan is the least reliable of them all,more of them have gone 'pop' than any other" -not surprising given that more have been sold,especially in the early days when the s6 problem was at its worst.Half the models available today didn't even exist then!!
This is what i'm talking about.I honestly don't believe for one minute,that any engine variation,or any particular model produces the most or least reliable combination.I have to disagree with you in that i believe it is a universal problem,but i truly believe that it isn't helped or clarified by some of the comments you get on here.I also think it's amazing that some people can state,with apparently some definate insider professional knowlege,that a speed six will definately only last 'x' thousand miles!! FFS-what a fabulous thing to say,gives everyone something to look forward to then
.Some people just seem to want to dig a hole and wont be content until everyone is unhappy!
.It just amazes me how much bitching does go on within the camp,not just on this,but on many other threads on this forum.It is easy to manipulate any statistics,ie"there have been far more problems with 3.6 engines in recent times" -well that could be true,given that many more have been sold than 4.0's! or how about"the tuscan is the least reliable of them all,more of them have gone 'pop' than any other" -not surprising given that more have been sold,especially in the early days when the s6 problem was at its worst.Half the models available today didn't even exist then!! This is what i'm talking about.I honestly don't believe for one minute,that any engine variation,or any particular model produces the most or least reliable combination.I have to disagree with you in that i believe it is a universal problem,but i truly believe that it isn't helped or clarified by some of the comments you get on here.I also think it's amazing that some people can state,with apparently some definate insider professional knowlege,that a speed six will definately only last 'x' thousand miles!! FFS-what a fabulous thing to say,gives everyone something to look forward to then
.Some people just seem to want to dig a hole and wont be content until everyone is unhappy!While having a lot of sympathy for the rants against doom mongers, the short and sh*tty of it is that TVR don't come clean on the issue and don't give a flying you know what about their customers' concerns. I have had a Tamora for 3 years with absolutely a glorious engine and no problems whatsover in numerous trackdays and quite a bit of aggressive use. On my Tuscan 2S the engine popped after 3000 miles and while the rebuild took 6 weeks, the fact that it is covered by warranty is small consolation for the time lost in the middle of summer nor for the factory's intransigence to part with any information as to what went wrong or what's been done about it despite numerous requests by e-mail, telephone or through the dealer. TVR have but themselves to blame for scaring people off!
mongoose said:
I wasnt having a go at anyone in particular Steve
This is what i'm talking about.I honestly don't believe for one minute,that any engine variation,or any particular model produces the most or least reliable combination.I have to disagree with you in that i believe it is a universal problem,but i truly believe that it isn't helped or clarified by some of the comments you get on here.I also think it's amazing that some people can state,with apparently some definate insider professional knowlege,that a speed six will definately only last 'x' thousand miles!! FFS-what a fabulous thing to say,gives everyone something to look forward to then
Ahem, I think the only figure stated for what a decently built one should last for is 50,000 miles and I used that first. It wasnt a definitive figure, it wasnt an absolute, it was a figure I said I would expect from my engine if built properly and with correct quality components to at least last for and a figure I would be happy with. I am more than happy with my car and I am a Speed Six convert and I reiterate, if my engine does 50k miles before it needs serious work on it I will be happy and I think it is a good achievement.
DJC said:The figures i've seen are 20 and 30k!The real point is that you shouldn't put a figure on it at all,it does nobody any favours in the long run.
Ahem, I think the only figure stated for what a decently built one should last for is 50,000 miles and I used that first. It wasnt a definitive figure, it wasnt an absolute, it was a figure I said I would expect from my engine if built properly and with correct quality components to at least last for and a figure I would be happy with. I am more than happy with my car and I am a Speed Six convert and I reiterate, if my engine does 50k miles before it needs serious work on it I will be happy and I think it is a good achievement.
No worries Mike.
As one of the moronic idiots who have bought a new one I have to say I have every confidense in the beasty which goes from strength to strength,I get great support from my dealer who is not only very competent but staffed by some genuinely nice characters ( Definately characters!) and I am dead pleased about the warranty which was a pleasent suprise and the ability for any owner to warranty their car for up to eight years.This alone beats the pants of Ferrari who limit theirs to 56k miles and the cost is about twice that of the TVR warranty.
If a certain Mr Metcalfe in car magazine hadn't ponied up over £2k for a ferrari waranty he would have had to fork out £10k for a new transmission on top of an annual running cost of £12k.The transmission failed after 36 k miles. He had a £14k annual running cost this year and it might have been £22k.The Lambo in the same edition cost even more!
What amazes me is how negative this forum has become and i agree with you lets talk about the good aspects about owning a tiv-there are plenty of them. I'm definitively not a wide eyed optimist but there are genuinely good things to celebrate.
Happy Griffing ( Great shot by the way)
As one of the moronic idiots who have bought a new one I have to say I have every confidense in the beasty which goes from strength to strength,I get great support from my dealer who is not only very competent but staffed by some genuinely nice characters ( Definately characters!) and I am dead pleased about the warranty which was a pleasent suprise and the ability for any owner to warranty their car for up to eight years.This alone beats the pants of Ferrari who limit theirs to 56k miles and the cost is about twice that of the TVR warranty.
If a certain Mr Metcalfe in car magazine hadn't ponied up over £2k for a ferrari waranty he would have had to fork out £10k for a new transmission on top of an annual running cost of £12k.The transmission failed after 36 k miles. He had a £14k annual running cost this year and it might have been £22k.The Lambo in the same edition cost even more!
What amazes me is how negative this forum has become and i agree with you lets talk about the good aspects about owning a tiv-there are plenty of them. I'm definitively not a wide eyed optimist but there are genuinely good things to celebrate.
Happy Griffing ( Great shot by the way)
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